I was going to say.. Somebodys breeding umbies!!? Dan (tiny28) is my fish guy and the only guy I know who (had) was breeding umbies. Hes about a hour from me and I get all of my fish from him. Best keep those guys alive because Dan's not getting any more anytime soon unless you want him to order you some expensive ass f0's. His male killed his female about 2 months ago. He had the male listed on aquabid for $500 because he wasn't able to find a f0 female but its not listed now. I'm going to call him tomorrow and see if he sold it.