Malawi's with Clown Loaches ?

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"Don't put clown loaches in a high pH. They will develop skin deposits and will not live a healthy or long life"

This is not true I know someone who had clown loaches in ph that was 8.2. This was for 28 years until they died last year.
 
emtbmike;2308463; said:
"Don't put clown loaches in a high pH. They will develop skin deposits and will not live a healthy or long life"

This is not true I know someone who had clown loaches in ph that was 8.2. This was for 28 years until they died last year.

Loaches should live for longer than that. The point is that their osmoregulation is thrown off due to the high pH. They don't belong in high pH and hard water. They are suited to a lower pH and moderate pH. They may live for awhile, but it's not adequate conditions.
 
you're arguing with the wrong guy new kid...:grinno:
 
I say there is a exception to that wurm... If you have CB malawis that are in neutral ph then I don't see why not? If the malawis are being raised in the same 7.0 ph as the clowns then it should be fine aside from maybe an occasional fin nip which I doubt cause clowns are crazy fast!
 
beantickler;2308597; said:
I say there is a exception to that wurm... If you have CB malawis that are in neutral ph then I don't see why not? If the malawis are being raised in the same 7.0 ph as the clowns then it should be fine aside from maybe an occasional fin nip which I doubt cause clowns are crazy fast!


Wow, ya you could do it that way, but thats not an appropriate param for africans, its one or the other, otherwise one of the 2 with be unhealthy, Theres no going around that simply fact.
 
It's your choice whether you want to mix them or not. Ewurm and I have already tried the mix and the result is disappointing. Loaches do not like being pushed around by aggressive tankmates nor the water conditions required by African Rift Lake cichlids. Even if you put the water conditions in favor of the loaches, the African cichlids will likewise suffer, period.

Rift Valley Cichlids
Rift Valley Cichlids and Loaches: Can they go along together?

There also comes the long been controversial debate about loaches and Rift Valley cichlids. Cichlids, as a whole, take their aggression to another level when you compare it to the loaches. They have various personalities thus making it impossible to predict how they will behave once they establish themselves in the aquarium. It is in the best interest if you are to keep cichlids and loaches together, that both species will not try to harass each other. Consider other variables, not just the individual personality. It has been a mistake of some people to think loaches are able to withstand the aggression and harassments inflicted by most cichlids, the same way that most cichlids can withstand the feisty nature of the loaches. While the cichlids with rather mellow personality do not usually pose a problem towards the loaches, these cichlids will eventually spawn as they mature giving more problems for the loaches thus subjecting the loaches to permanent damage from stress and physical injuries as they fail to cope up with the aggression issues of the cichlids. Loaches are sociable fish forming a hierarchy and even defending their boundaries. They do not appreciate being pushed around by other fish hence it is inadvisable to mix them with those kind of cichlids regardless.

Another issue that will be covered is the temperature. Take into consideration that Lake Malawi cichlids prefer temperature no higher than 78 degrees Celsius whereas several loaches that are often mixed with these cichlids prefer temperature higher than that. If the Lake Malawi cichlids are to be forced in such conditions, they will eventually suffocate. Never forget the Lake Malawi cichlids demand plenty of oxygen and as such their bodies cannot tolerate depleting oxygen levels.

There also comes the issue regarding the loaches being able to tolerate hard alkaline waters or not. It may or may not work. Plenty of loaches that are often suggested to be mixed with these cichlids hail from soft acidic waters which means that while the water parameters can be compromised as long as they “are acclimated properly”, they will still never thrive their best as their bodies are not designed to live in waters where conductivity is very high compared to the waters they are used to which has very low conductivity. Their osmoregulatory system is not designed for this situation and will only compromised their health as well as their lifespan.

Lastly, different dietary requirements are a problem. Which genus of cichlids are you planning to keep? Never forget again that plenty of Lake Malawi cichlids relish meaty foods so much despite being unsuitable in comparison to foods containing high fiber content that they eventually succumb to bloat and other digestion problems. In this case, you are advised not to attempt mixing loaches with these cichlids. Many botiine loaches generally prefer meaty foods as they had always done in the wild. Any attempt to feed the Lake Malawi cichlids occasionally is not without causing so much digestive upsets on their part that they eventually suffer and damage themselves permanently. Either way, you should not opt to keep both together. Anyone telling you that you can is not going to admit readily that he is wrong.
 
beantickler;2308597; said:
I say there is a exception to that wurm... If you have CB malawis that are in neutral ph then I don't see why not? If the malawis are being raised in the same 7.0 ph as the clowns then it should be fine aside from maybe an occasional fin nip which I doubt cause clowns are crazy fast!

I have a clown loach that was kept with Malawi cichlids until I got ahold of it. The pectoral fins were gone.
 
As said here already, you have a Ph problem with the two species. The loaches need something in the neutral range where as the Malawi's need something in the 8.0+ range.
 
NotoriousSway;2309137; said:
One thing I didn't mentions is that they always hid in the driftwood unless it was feeding time. I didn't know if that was cuz it was there natural instinct or they didn't like the Africans.
You have only two clown loaches. They were not kept in a group of 5 minimum hence you see them hiding most of the time. They are also less nippy if kept in a group. Aside from that, they lack tolerance for any outward aggression against them by the cichlids. Continuous aggression will simply force them to hide to avoid constant harassments. Consider separating them from your cichlids.
 
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