male motoro full grown size

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i would also say 18-20inch

mature is a diffrent story i have seen an 14inch pearl (still motoro in my eye) still not mature

 

[ethnics]

miles, u speak of rays that are over 30 years old possibly. i've seen leopaldi's over 3ft disc as well as motors around 30" disc.

like stingrayguy said, 8 yrs and 16" sounds about what ur looking at. so if bought small, no worries for atleast 5yrs