Having hard time figuring this one out. It has pointy fins, but hasn't seem to have developed a hump yet. It's around 6"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0l85KXrJ4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0l85KXrJ4A
Male or Female?? Gold Saum
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Nice looking Saum. I have a big 10" male that doesn't have a hump so don't rely on that for an indicator. Just vent the fish and you should be able to get an accurate sexing at that size.
Oh and it's not a false Green Terror. Andinoacara Rivulatus or Gold Saum would be the most accurate. Seems as though the Green Terror nomenclature confuses everyone.
Oh and it's not a false Green Terror. Andinoacara Rivulatus or Gold Saum would be the most accurate. Seems as though the Green Terror nomenclature confuses everyone.
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If you want to cut through all the confusing opinions of non-experts on the subject, here's an article by biology professor and cichlid expert and writer Wayne Leibel.
You might note comments in the article linked above regarding a 1982 article by a German writer, the article named "The Green Terror-- That Isn't!" The fish he considered NOT to be the 'true' green terror at the time is what we now call A. stalsbergi. In other words, the fish you'll see so many insist is the 'original' or 'true' green terror was not considered the true green terror by this German writer, the fish he considered to be the real or original green terror is what we now know as A. rivulatus. Opposite of what a lot of forum posters say these days.
So, at best, the definition of "false" or "true" green terror isn't official or universal, it's somewhat contrived by hobbyists imo, especially considering that some countries have completely different common names for the same fish. Years ago false or true green terror wasn't even the question in the literature I saw, the real discussion used to be which one was the "true rivulatus".
In any case, with all the confusing forum posts, half of them repeating other confusing forum posts, at present I'll take my cue from Professor Leibel, who in the articles I've seen uses 'green terror' to informally describe any of the fish in the group he also calls "green acaras".
Also, I agree on the hump, especially at six inches. Any I've had both the males and females had pointed fins, but mature male fins are more elongated.
Thanks for the replies... I defintley don't feel comfortable venting, and our relationship is to good for me to put it through the stress. Just have to wait it out until more maturity, but I think it's a female based on the elongated fins theroy. I've seen other males younger than mine showing their elongated fins.
I purchased this guy at about 2 inches, and it was sold to me as a green terror. Would like to get more when I updrade to a larger tank, although local stores don't offer a lot of the species I'm interested in getting. Another Saum would be nice, possibly an acara or Andinoacara Stalsbergi would be sweet. I love this gold saum. Lots of personality and she colors up real nice depending on her mood.
I purchased this guy at about 2 inches, and it was sold to me as a green terror. Would like to get more when I updrade to a larger tank, although local stores don't offer a lot of the species I'm interested in getting. Another Saum would be nice, possibly an acara or Andinoacara Stalsbergi would be sweet. I love this gold saum. Lots of personality and she colors up real nice depending on her mood.