many sponge filters on one air tank?

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sizzlinbetta

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having never used sponge filters for setting up multiple tanks this seems to be the best/easiest method...however the pvc lines and plumbing stuff is 100% over my head.

basically, if i buy

http://cgi.ebay.com/AIR-PUMP-520-wa...in_0?hash=item45ec922bdc&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

this has a 28 outlet divider which would be good for expansion

i just need to get the hose and connect it to the sponge filters

is that right? or would i need to do pvc check valve stuff etc etc?

if anyone has a picture of how they set up the base i would really appreciate it

thank you
 
hook some air line up to each output and you're done. check valves are a good idea though, or you can put the pump higher than the tank (if you've got anywhere to put it)
 
Running PVC around the room and tapping airlines into it will help offer consistent pressure through each line and will make the overall set up a lot neater...

But your approach of a 28 way splitter and running hoses will work also...

My suggestion would be to start simple (splitter) and upgrade (PVC) if/when desired.

I looked into a very similar set up and planned on running PVC aroudn the room... but undfortunately had to move before I got the chance. I bought a Dophlin air pump from Kensfish.com. It was much cheaper, you might want to check it out.
 
FSM;3322460; said:
hook some air line up to each output and you're done. check valves are a good idea though, or you can put the pump higher than the tank (if you've got anywhere to put it)

check valves just stop water from coming back at it?
 
nc_nutcase;3322547; said:
Running PVC around the room and tapping airlines into it will help offer consistent pressure through each line and will make the overall set up a lot neater...

But your approach of a 28 way splitter and running hoses will work also...

My suggestion would be to start simple (splitter) and upgrade (PVC) if/when desired.

I looked into a very similar set up and planned on running PVC aroudn the room... but undfortunately had to move before I got the chance. I bought a Dophlin air pump from Kensfish.com. It was much cheaper, you might want to check it out.

my whole problem is i have 0 clue about plumbing what i don't get honestly is how the end nozzle where the air is coming out suddenly gaps to pvc...then how do you get constant pressure to each area...also that sounds like if you decided to change ur set up u'd kinda be screwed...i might just be wrong but i'm confused on how people set up fish rooms...everyone shoes pictures of the pvc going around etc, etc, no1 shows how they get the pvc line started...i really think if equally effective
 
I’ve done all the research to set up an airline in a fishroom… had the fishroom… bought the PVC… but moved before I actually set it up… SO I have the “knowledge” but lack the “experience”… so take my opinion for what it’s worth…

I bought this pump at kensfish.com -

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It has a 1” O.D. nub coming off of it…

I planned to put a 1” I.D. / 1.5” O.D. hose vinyl coming off of it…

That hose would go fit inside of a 1.5” I.D. PVC pipe… it would be sealed in place with PVC Cement… The hose would be pushed about 12~18” inside the PVC with PVC cement smeared on the full length to ensure a leak proof seal (this is overkill, but it’s very inexpensive so why not).

The other end of the PVC would be connected to a PVC loop that went around the perimeter of the room slightly below the ceiling…

Strategically placed T fittings would be placed along the loop with straight PVC pipes coming down… These pipes would have a number of fittings on them that standard aquarium hoses could be placed on… The fittings that are not in use would simply have a piece of air line put in place jumping from one fitting to another…

The reason I was told to put the airline fittings on the Pipe T’ed down from the loop is to keep the pressure consistent throughout the whole loop thus keeping the pressure from one filter to the next more consistent.

If at any time this system was to be used for only a couple of air filters, the pressure through those couple of filters would be extreme and the jumpers would likely blow off or pressure would find somewhere to escape the system. To address this you can A) put a baffle in the system that blows off any pressure above X psi (I do not know much about this piece other than it exists as I did not choose to take this route)… or B) always have a bunch of filters plugged into the line…

I’ll try to answer any other questions you have. I’ve done a lot with plumbing and I enjoy figure things like this out… but keep in mind I didn’t actually put my air system together, so what I “know” is from research and figuring, not doing…

 
I just quick did a lil paint maybe this will help me understand a lil more...definately reading about something i've never done isn't getting me there at all.

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The big red thing represents the air pump with the little red 1” OD pipe coming from it…
The black lines represent the walls of the 1” ID/1.5” OD Vinyl tubing…
The Blue lines represent the 1.5” ID PVC…

The vinyl hose should be hose clamped onto the pipe coming from the Air Compressor…

The vinyl hose then is inserted 12” inside the PVC pipe and sealed in place with PVC cement…

The PVC line then continues up the wall to connect to the loop…

Pic #2

If… your air pump plugs into your loop in the top left corner of this picture… Then the air pressure at the holes nearest your pump will be considerably higher than the air pressure in the bottom right corner.

Pic #3 points…

With this set up check valves are not needed. Check vavles prevent water from creeping up the line which can start a siphon draining the tank onto the floor. The water will not be able to “creep” all the way up the hose into the PVC. But do be aware if you unplug an airlone from the PVC loop, drop the line leaving the other end submerged, it could start a siphon and drain your tank onto the floor. So either buy a check valve for each airline in use, or pay attention and don’t let yourself start a siphon…

The air pump doesn’t “need” to be lower… it can be at any height you like. I suggest making it reachable and out of the way. Under a table is a good place…

For larger tanks just use more sponge filters. This system makes it very difficult to alter the air flow offered by each line. The only way (I know of) to do this is to put a flow restrictor on every air line. One detail to keep in mind, due to backpressure, you will get less bubbles from lines in deeper water…

As for “dill a hole and silicone hose in place”… that is the one detail I did not have solved. My best suggestion is to find metal or plastic parts that can be inserted into a drilled hole and sealed in. I would not trust silicone to seal in this application… if the part is plastic then I would use PVC cement… if it is metal then I would use a high grade glue that clearly states it is good for metal and plastic. I definitely would not just glue the air hose into the PVC. Repairing one of these is going to be a pain in the butt.

Pic #4

I have been assured that using the T’s will give me/you a much more balanced air pressure throughout the loop.

I fully understand and appreciate the need for versatility and future change. If you put a $ every 4’ with 10 hoses off each T… I think you will have plenty of hoses available regardless of how you set things up. This seems to be a very small price to pay for having equal pressure in the loop.



Also, another reminder… Having talked to several local people who have these types of pair loops in their fishrooms, after looking at websites of some of the pros who have this type of set ups and after asking some questions in forums… this is the concept/approach I’ve come up with…

I haven’t put it into practical application yet so I cannot speak from experience. I do know that I talked to at least one local guy who did it your way (loop with taps for airline) and he ended up fully replacing it and did it as I suggested…
 
sizzlinbetta;3326833; said:
btw why is going w/ pvc an upgrade? with a splitter aren't we getting equal pressure and ur ideal scenario is getting that


If you are using a pump that runs 10 filters... a splitter is the way to go...

If you are running a pump that powers 100 filters and the tanks are all the way across the room from each other... PVC is the way to go...

The PVC loop will avoid having air hoses dragged across the floor being tripped over...

PVC allows for shorter airlines to be used. If you have a 30' airline and a 4' airlone comming off the same main splitter... the 4' air line is going to have a lot more pressure than the 30' line.

If you are using long lines tucked away behind tanks/stuff... and that filter stops working... tracing the line out may be a pain... and if the line somehow gets cut behind tanks/stuff then it will likely allow a siphon to form draining a tank...
 
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