Mass Shooting at High School in Parkland, Florida

[convict360]

Be careful with the term, assault rifle. This term is fabricated by the anti guns, and there's no specificity to what features on a rifle merits this term. People see a black, military looking rifle and automatically thinks its more dangerous than a wood grained stock hunting rifle. A unmodified AR15 is no more dangerous than a semi auto hunting rifle. But the general public are trained by the media to recognize black guns as only combat weapons and not in any way tools.

Point taken, I don't claim to be a weapons expert either, I'll try to be more exact in terminology, but hopefully my meaning was taken as intended; i.e. to include guns that can fire quickly, accurately and without much preparation time

 

[xraycer]

i.e. to include guns that can fire quickly, accurately and without much preparation time

You just described any semi auto hunting rifle. In regards to accuracy, the AR15 is no more accurate than the majority of hunting rifles. Once again, an AR15 is essentially cosmetic, it is no deadlier than any other hunting rifle, sold in its stock form.

 

[krichardson]

Be careful with the term, assault rifle. This term is fabricated by the anti guns, and there's no specificity to what features on a rifle merits this term. People see a black, military looking rifle and automatically thinks its more dangerous than a wood grained stock hunting rifle. A unmodified AR15 is no more dangerous than a semi auto hunting rifle. But the general public are trained by the media to recognize black guns as only combat weapons and not in any way tools.

Great post and the same thing has almost been done by the media with the term immigrant.
No one is against immigrants who take the proper steps and come here legally but the people who come here by other means are not immigrants.....they are illegal aliens but the media has conditioned folks to refer to them also as immigrants.

 

[krichardson]

.....and I'm not going to get into a gun control debate here but I understand that the kid was kicked out of the school yet he was able to re enter as soon as he was good and ready.I'm not aware if that school has any kind of security in place but someone dropped the ball there.

 

[jaws7777]

All it takes is passing a background check, which he was capable of doing apparently. And I agree, gun laws changing are a middle ground. I know people with various AR-15s with modifications that could cause serious damage. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely love guns and own many, but the AR class of weapons, extended clips, these are only used for destruction.

"Guns dont kill people, people kill people" couldnt agree more, so I am stuck at a middle ground.

Thats one of the most honest statements i heard in a while.
I fall in this category. I too am a gun supporter. But there is a line in the sand.

Its actually not much more difficult to modified a regular hunting gun into having a lot of the same features. An AR15 is mostly cosmetic, nothing really special about the scary looking stock(body).
Take a typical hunting shotgun, saw off a portion of the barrel, and now you hot yourself a combat weapon.

Why is it that i have to be proficient in driving a car in order to obtain a licsense but not a firearm ?

My issue isnt totally with the model of weapon but if it was harder to obtain a weapon then this tragedy as well as others probably wouldnt have happened.

I want to own an object that can not only cause death....its intended purpose IS to cause death weather to an animal or human. I should have to show that i can safely operate it...cleaning , clearing jams, and safely maintaining the weapon should be manditory....training should be manditory. All of this would make it harder to obtain a weapon.

I get the vans, cars and chlorine bleach can be uaed to kill BUT they arent intented to be used in such a way. So yes no way we can prepare for everything but these school shooting can be prevented to a degree

 

[jaws7777]

And lets not kid ourselves the stopping power of the AR cannot even be compared to a hand gun.

I saw an Ar blow through a vest with no issues. The hole on the back panel was easily bigger than my fist.

 

[jaws7777]

I could sit hear and pick apart any argument on both sides of this debate.

Handguns are worse than long arms as they are easier to conceal. Long arms are worse than handguns because of modifications or differences in amino ect ect ect.

Even though i am against big gov at the end of the day this is somerhig that needs to be regulated differently. Just because someone is a living breathing american should grant them the right to own a firearm.

We have no issues with half the crap our politicians get away with, start a war, topple a govmt, control our health care ok no problem but in the same breath people get nuts and start quoting the constitution when ever regulations are talked about. Seems pretty backwards to me

 

[xraycer]

Why is it that i have to be proficient in driving a car in order to obtain a licsense but not a firearm ?

My issue isnt totally with the model of weapon but if it was harder to obtain a weapon then this tragedy as well as others probably wouldnt have happened.

I want to own an object that can not only cause death....its intended purpose IS to cause death weather to an animal or human. I should have to show that i can safely operate it...cleaning , clearing jams, and safely maintaining the weapon should be manditory....training should be manditory. All of this would make it harder to obtain a weapon.

I get the vans, cars and chlorine bleach can be uaed to kill BUT they arent intented to be used in such a way. So yes no way we can prepare for everything but these school shooting can be prevented to a degree

The same case can be made about the right to child bearing. Why is it any one can be a parent? Shouldn't there be a prerequisite in order to bear and rear another human being?

As I've already stated, it is simply too easy to obtain a gun, in too many areas. This coming from me, a pro gun individual. The screening process needs to be more intensive/extensive, not just simply banning everything across the board.

Lawyers have been arguing this issue for years, and it is still a stalemate. So, I said all I'm going to say on the matter. ✌ out

 

[jaws7777]

The same case can be made about the right to child bearing. Why is it any one can be a parent? Shouldn't there be a prerequisite in order to bear and rear another human being?

As I've already stated, it is simply too easy to obtain a gun, in too many areas. This coming from me, a pro gun individual. The screening process needs to be more intensive/extensive, not just simply banning everything across the board.

Lawyers have been arguing this issue for years, and it is still a stalemate. So, I said all I'm going to say on the matter. ✌ out

No bad blood here bud but i agree that all out bans are not practical. I disagree and this is where the reps lose me in what they compare to gun restrictions. Having children is something natural as much as i would love to see people do as you say and get a licsense this is not realistic so can we really compare this to selling an object that can be used to murder and/or commit crimes ? No.

I can argue that the pro gun nuts (not the sensible gun owners) are just as brainwashed. I open a business and i need a liquor licsense or a food handlers licsense but not to operate a weapon ? I dont have to have training ? Cmon man

 

[nzafi]

Gun laws are extemely complex in the US especially because of varied the laws are from state to state, and the different requirements. I am not against guns, but it amazes me how many pro-gun folks are against gun registries, better control over gun shows, or setting up centralized databases that would allow for a more efficient manner for determining whether someone is suitable or not to purchase a gun.

I would hate to take away someone's hobby, or the passion that some folks have, but I cannot understand why some folks need access to some of the guns that are allowed. Below is clip that is hilarious but scary at the same time. Hopefully, at some point both sides can come together to do something different versus just blaming the other side and never making a change.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155551023116800