Maximum fish sizes

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I continuously see people quoting maximum fish size as though it's the word of God or something. Every time some one asks about keeping a fish someone is sure to point out the maximum size and then go one to say the fish needs a certain size tank due to this maximum size. We need to confront this fallacy. maximum fish is not the size a fish should be expected to attain. Even in the wild or under perfect conditions (which seldom occur in the wild either) fish very seldom reach their maximum size. this is especially true when the record fish size is used to figure the maximum size a fish is expected to reach. I'll use a fish i am relatively familiar with as an example. When the shovelnose sturgeon is mentioned you get lots of replies. too big to keep, gets to be 18 feet long, huge fish needs a thousand gallon tank, maximum size if four feet. It will eventually weigh 100 pounds. If you can't keep a tank big enough to keep a four foot fish then don't get it.

The reality is the fishes maximum size is listed as 1060 cm, about 40 inches and about 8.17 kilos, this is considered a very big shovelnose sturgeon. Most fish caught are in the 24 inch range and in the home aquarium the best that can be expected is 18 inches or so. Very much a reasonable sized fish compared to many others the MFKers keep. I think we should get off the maximum size wagon and look at these fish a little more realistically. Yes some of the fish we keep do indeed get to be huge, even the average wild size of an arapaima is simply outrageous but how big do they really get in one of our members tanks? Sometimes the fish we keep do indeed approach maximum size, mostly the smaller ones to be sure but a 20 inch brown bullhead is a big brown bullhead any way you look at it. Lets top trying to rain on each others parades and look to keep our fish healthy and not assume maximum sizes or assume that a fish that doesn't reach this size is somehow less than a healthy fish. Even in the wild many fish never even approach maximum size, lets keep this in mind next time we want to jump on someone who is keeping a big fish and concentrate on what the fish needs to be the pet it's owner wants.

http://wwwaux.cerc.cr.usgs.gov/micra/SHOVELNO.HTM
 
I'm not sure your example is completely accurate. Where has someone said that an 18' fish is 100lbs and needs only 1000g?

IMO, if a fish is kept properly it has the potential to grow past the size of a wild specimen.
 
rallysman;2029835; said:
I'm not sure your example is completely accurate. Where has someone said that an 18' fish is 100lbs and needs only 1000g?

IMO, if a fish is kept properly it has the potential to grow past the size of a wild specimen.

I was giving random quotes from different people not connected quotes and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some opinions are based on more experience and data than others.
 
Moontanman;2029865; said:
I was giving random quotes from different people not connected quotes and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some opinions are based on more experience and data than others.

I agree that experience varies greatly. If I recall correctly, there is a Korean Perch that someone on this board has that has outgrown it's documented "maximum" wild size.
 
rallysman;2029896; said:
I agree that experience varies greatly. If I recall correctly, there is a Korean Perch that someone on this board has that has outgrown it's documented "maximum" wild size.
Wounldn't that make it a world record?
 
Rockbass6;2029924; said:
Wounldn't that make it a world record?
I suppose it would
 
I see both sides of the argument.

Some of the maximum sizes listed are obtainable. Perhaps even surpassed but that would lead me to believe the information wasn't recorded or researched correctly. That's probably neither here nor there though.

But there is a part where people get too overbearing with it. And every big fish someone gets they have to post "do you have a pond?" or list world record sizes as max sizes. Or in rare cases even dream up sizes worthy of being on "Monster Quest".

It annoys me only because I think it's annoying to ask every person with a fish that. Honestly you can't do much about it though. You will always have those people. And you'll never change their opinion. Does it sometimes seem like they want to drive people away from a species?? Yeah for whatever reason sometimes. But again you'll never change their attitude on keeping these large species.
 
Moontanman;2029811; said:
I continuously see people quoting maximum fish size as though it's the word of God or something. Every time some one asks about keeping a fish someone is sure to point out the maximum size and then go one to say the fish needs a certain size tank due to this maximum size. We need to confront this fallacy. maximum fish is not the size a fish should be expected to attain. Even in the wild or under perfect conditions (which seldom occur in the wild either) fish very seldom reach their maximum size. this is especially true when the record fish size is used to figure the maximum size a fish is expected to reach. I'll use a fish i am relatively familiar with as an example. When the shovelnose sturgeon is mentioned you get lots of replies. too big to keep, gets to be 18 feet long, huge fish needs a thousand gallon tank, maximum size if four feet. It will eventually weigh 100 pounds. If you can't keep a tank big enough to keep a four foot fish then don't get it.

The reality is the fishes maximum size is listed as 1060 cm, about 40 inches and about 8.17 kilos, this is considered a very big shovelnose sturgeon. Most fish caught are in the 24 inch range and in the home aquarium the best that can be expected is 18 inches or so. Very much a reasonable sized fish compared to many others the MFKers keep. I think we should get off the maximum size wagon and look at these fish a little more realistically. Yes some of the fish we keep do indeed get to be huge, even the average wild size of an arapaima is simply outrageous but how big do they really get in one of our members tanks? Sometimes the fish we keep do indeed approach maximum size, mostly the smaller ones to be sure but a 20 inch brown bullhead is a big brown bullhead any way you look at it. Lets top trying to rain on each others parades and look to keep our fish healthy and not assume maximum sizes or assume that a fish that doesn't reach this size is somehow less than a healthy fish. Even in the wild many fish never even approach maximum size, lets keep this in mind next time we want to jump on someone who is keeping a big fish and concentrate on what the fish needs to be the pet it's owner wants.

http://wwwaux.cerc.cr.usgs.gov/micra/SHOVELNO.HTM

thank you for that interesting read. i totallyagree. just because an RTC can get 6+ feet, dont meen it gonna:screwy: and just cause ck can get 3+ feet dont mean you prolly couldnt keep one in a 240 gallon
 
rallysman;2029932; said:
I suppose it would
Were going to have to have pics, do you remember who has it rallysman?! I would love to see it!!:drool::drool::drool:
I kind of agree with both sides within reason the people that think that their bass can live in 125's for life give me a break honestly they can out grow that easy. As for some other species I have seen the other arguement, but most people are right about the big tanks within reason.
 
Rockbass6;2029959; said:
Were going to have to have pics, do you remember who has it rallysman?! I would love to see it!!:drool::drool::drool:

Michael

I think we need to look at fishing world record sizes first before declaring it a world record, as there may be a variance between fishing world record sizes on the books and maximum size listed by fishbase.
 
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