Messing up the Citrinellun breed?

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I think you bring up some very good points dogofwar. To me, if you want to make hybrids go ahead. If you are going to sell them, just make sure the buyer knows what he is really getting.
 
reverse;3553486; said:
What makes you think EBJD is a hybrid?

It is best to have knowledge before you start making absolute statements.

Im not an idiot,I've done my research.It may not be a hybrid but its definately not a purebred with as much selective breeding it took to come up with them,might as well be a hybrid.Also,75%+ of EBJD either start off deformed or turned out deformed when they get older,hence the reason I'm not a fan.Shouldnt have to mark "no deformities" next to a fish when selling it......
 
There is book of some Americans in Nicaraugua, teaching in a University down there. I actually have the book, at home. In Nature both reds and barred actually hookup. They occur in same Lakes, so what happens in nature is ok in the tank, in my book.

jmatthewvan;3548272; said:
I have a 10-11" colored Midas and have been looking for a female for a long time with no luck.I found some good sized female barred Midas that I would like to breed with my male but wanna see what people think about it.Im not trying to make hybrids seeing as how it pisses me off that every midas listed in most stores are Midas/RD x's and never turn out beefy like pure a Midas.I really wanna start getting some pure Midas available in my area.Is this a bad idea?
 
JoeFatFish;3554499; said:
There is book of some Americans in Nicaraugua, teaching in a University down there. I actually have the book, at home. In Nature both reds and barred actually hookup. They occur in same Lakes, so what happens in nature is ok in the tank, in my book.

Thats cool,thanks...
 
The book is called: Midas Cichlid Species Complex and is like $15.00. Here is the link to Cichlid Press books were it is available. It is a scientific book, and has tons of great information, and many nice photos. This will answer all your questions and give you more info than you ever thought of asking. I actualy graduated as a biologist with a specialization in Aquaculture, and being a CA cichlid freak, I had to buy this book. I think everyone who has an interest in the "Red Devil/Midas" fishes should all have this book in their library at home. Here is the online store link: http://www.cichlidpress.com/

click on OTHER CICHLIDS, and it is the 6th book from the top. There is even a DVD available now!!! Wow I should get it. I bought this book a couple years ago. Let me know if you get any of this stuff. Peace!

Joe :headbang2

jmatthewvan;3554514; said:
Thats cool,thanks...
 
As far as a Fish is a Fish, I have to disagree. Although maybe to an amature, and I am NOT calling you an amature, just trying to state an opinion. Maybe to an amature, just getting into the hobby, it may just be a fish, as they may not know any better, but many...not all, will develop a desire to learn more as they advance, and some of those who learn and care about the conservation will care about preserving a "true" species, according to type locale. As far as rede devils and midas are concerned, and I dont know at this moment were Rio Claro is, but if a river that flows into or out of Lake Nicaragua, contains a red devil type fish, then the ones in the river and the lake are most likely the same species, as they have access in and out of lake and into rivers, thus have the ability to breed with each other. Again my opinion is if it matters to the individual, it is ok. If you want pure or not. conservation is important though. As far as hybrids or cross breeds go, yes the seller should inform the buyer. This guy just wants an opinion, dont beat him down. Its all about opininions and he has a good question, we all do that is why we ask. As far as EBJD's go they are a selective breeding outcome and very INbred as well, that is why so many deformaties, because of no new genetic material, so rececive genes start to become the dominant feature because of no new blood/genetic material to keep those bad genes recesive. Hybrid are normaly the strongest of all becasue of so much new genetic material to keep all good dominant genes from both parents as fenotypical. I am not a fan of hybrids or man made strains, but I am just stateing a fact. Excuse my rant please.


flowerpower;3552629; said:
There are lots of F1 cits out there. It shouldn't be a problem finding an unrelated pair. As for origin, a fish is a fish- bottom line. Fretting over origin with Midas is pointless unless you are dealing with wild fish and their immediate offspring. They are so prevalent in the hobby that IMO it's a bit silly to ponder over the origin of an F2 Midas.
 
I have breed a colored with a barred before and all the babies came out barred. Once I raise those babies and did some in line breeding, I got some pretty cool babies out of that batch.
 
JoeFatFish;3557263; said:
As far as a Fish is a Fish, I have to disagree. Although maybe to an amature, and I am NOT calling you an amature, just trying to state an opinion. Maybe to an amature, just getting into the hobby, it may just be a fish, as they may not know any better, but many...not all, will develop a desire to learn more as they advance, and some of those who learn and care about the conservation will care about preserving a "true" species, according to type locale. As far as rede devils and midas are concerned, and I dont know at this moment were Rio Claro is, but if a river that flows into or out of Lake Nicaragua, contains a red devil type fish, then the ones in the river and the lake are most likely the same species, as they have access in and out of lake and into rivers, thus have the ability to breed with each other. Again my opinion is if it matters to the individual, it is ok. If you want pure or not. conservation is important though. As far as hybrids or cross breeds go, yes the seller should inform the buyer. This guy just wants an opinion, dont beat him down. Its all about opininions and he has a good question, we all do that is why we ask. As far as EBJD's go they are a selective breeding outcome and very INbred as well, that is why so many deformaties, because of no new genetic material, so rececive genes start to become the dominant feature because of no new blood/genetic material to keep those bad genes recesive. Hybrid are normaly the strongest of all becasue of so much new genetic material to keep all good dominant genes from both parents as fenotypical. I am not a fan of hybrids or man made strains, but I am just stateing a fact. Excuse my rant please.
You took the words right of my mouth.......
 
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