MFK PLEASE HELP ME!

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Bassinkorea;3516074; said:
It shouldn't need to. The thickness of the new tiles should be higher than the zoopoxy, so just get the tiles in good and tight and seal the tiles to the glass and the gap between tiles.

That might just work?!?!
Unfortunately I have to wait a week for this new layer to cure, and if it doesn't cure then I 'll have to go that route again.
Adding a new layer of tile is a lot cheaper than buying another tank!

Anyone object???
 
Riv D;3515870; said:
Pics.
This is after I drained and dried the tank.
I colored the zoopoxy with a brown tint, it's originally clear.
The white areas appeared after I added water, these areas are uncured and spread if left submerged.

Ok I looked at your pix and I'm not really even seeing the first set of tiles, just the colored Zoopoxy and the white areas that didn't cure. And I'm wondering if they didn't cure because you rushed it, or the mixture was right?/! Are these pics through the bottom of the tank or from the top looking down, and if so where is the tile(s)?

Riv D;3516093; said:
That might just work?!?!
Unfortunately I have to wait a week for this new layer to cure, and if it doesn't cure then I 'll have to go that route again.
Adding a new layer of tile is a lot cheaper than buying another tank!

Anyone object???

Awwwwww....... Again huh, the first layer didn't cure correctly so you decided to tile over the original spotty cured/uncured tiles with more tiles and more zoopoxy is that correct?
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Tequila;3516314; said:
Ok I looked at your pix and I'm not really even seeing the first set of tiles, just the colored Zoopoxy and the white areas that didn't cure. And I'm wondering if they didn't cure because you rushed it, or the mixture was right?/! Are these pics through the bottom of the tank or from the top looking down, and if so where is the tile(s)?
You can't see the tiles because the colored portion of the zoopoxy is covering it. (the pic was taken looking down into the tank).


Tequila;3516314; said:
Awwwwww....... Again huh, the first layer didn't cure correctly so you decided to tile over the original spotty cured/uncured tiles with more tiles and more zoopoxy is that correct?
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No, tiles 1st, then several layers of zoopoxy.
I was able to dig out the uncured ares and added another coat.
I'm guessing(like you mentioned) it was prob not mixed correctly the 1st time which led to the leaching through the other layers.
So I'm hoping that with those areas dug out, I could add properly measured, and mixed zoopoxy which will hopefully cure properly.
 
Riv D;3518858; said:
You can't see the tiles because the colored portion of the zoopoxy is covering it. (the pic was taken looking down into the tank).


No, tiles 1st, then several layers of zoopoxy.
I was able to dig out the uncured ares and added another coat.
I'm guessing(like you mentioned) it was prob not mixed correctly the 1st time which led to the leaching through the other layers.
So I'm hoping that with those areas dug out, I could add properly measured, and mixed zoopoxy which will hopefully cure properly.

Ok I went to this Zoopoxies website and looked up there products because I'm not really firmilar with there product. And this is the first thing I found:

BONDING
The 307 series of epoxies are excellent adhesives for bonding many types of materials including fiberglass, concrete, wood and metal. Properly prepare the surface by sanding, grinding or sandblasting prior to the application of the epoxy. These epoxies are not recommended for bonding to glass and most plastic surfaces.


But you used it to try and bond ceramic to glass, by why of top coating instead of bonding or cementing tiles to glass. In other words you placed the Zoopoxie on top instead of between the tile and the glass. I don't recall reading where it says to use this product as a coating to bond anything to anything else. Plus the stuff doens't work on glass!

Ok I think I understand what you where going for but you could have very easily used a dab of silicone between the glass and each tile. Or if you really wanted to go nutz, then coat the tank bottom with silicone and lay each tile in, waiting like a week for the stuff to dry and cure should have been enough, especailly if you used a fan. I just don't see why you went through all this hell and why you continue to go through it to have a somewhat unique looking tank bottom. :irked:
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Tequila;3518948; said:
Ok I went to this Zoopoxies website and looked up there products because I'm not really firmilar with there product. And this is the first thing I found:

BONDING
The 307 series of epoxies are excellent adhesives for bonding many types of materials including fiberglass, concrete, wood and metal. Properly prepare the surface by sanding, grinding or sandblasting prior to the application of the epoxy. These epoxies are not recommended for bonding to glass and most plastic surfaces.


But you used it to try and bond ceramic to glass, by why of top coating instead of bonding or cementing tiles to glass. In other words you placed the Zoopoxie on top instead of between the tile and the glass. I don't recall reading where it says to use this product as a coating to bond anything to anything else. Plus the stuff doens't work on glass!

Ok I think I understand what you where going for but you could have very easily used a dab of silicone between the glass and each tile. Or if you really wanted to go nutz, then coat the tank bottom with silicone and lay each tile in, waiting like a week for the stuff to dry and cure should have been enough, especailly if you used a fan. I just don't see why you went through all this hell and why you continue to go through it to have a somewhat unique looking tank bottom. :irked:
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He coated over the tile job because (after the fact) he was concerned that the black silicone II stuff he used to bond the tiles would leach "mildew resistant" chemicals into the water and kill the fish. He became concerned about the mildew resistant additives after advice from someone else on here. Then someone else in this thread says that there really is no mildew resistant additives, silicone is naturally mildew resistant and its just a marketing ploy. Nice to know now huh?

I would have loved to see the original tile job! Sounds like it was really done nicely. Did you get any pics before trying to seal over it?
 
Riv D;3524228; said:
This is how it all happened...
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229293
In the thread above someone suggests gray or black silicone.
Then after it's done another member says it's unsafe, so then I start this thread...
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236329

Ok, I'm sorry to say I read through both above threads and I still CANNOT understand why you did what you. To me it just seems that you pick one train of thought an ran with it with blinders on. Without doing any research aside from asking total strangers in the thread what they thought as long as everything was going good. Then when one person popped on the thread page 3 and said/stated that he/she throught that the silicone II was bad. ("make sure the silicon has no anti fungus stuff or that might harm your fish")

Though knowone else paid it much attention with the exception of you, throughout the rest of the thread. You started another thread questioning the safety of a known company's product ("GE Silicone II Window & Door IS it Safe???"). After the first two responses you your screaming Nooooo, then when someone else said they don't think it a problem you completely ignore them. Someone else response by saying: ("I think not. Some people have used it with success"). And you just go into a full downward spiral cash and burn nose dive. :nilly:


Did it never occur to you just to call GE and ask them. I mean who would know better GE or a bunch of faceless, nameless, varying levels of experienced avatars, I mean really now why didn't you just CALL GE, it's not like there an unknown company or new company. :screwy:


If you think I'm being unfair or too harash or uncaring, that's ok it's your opinion your entitled to it. I'm sorry I have no answers or suggestion for you to try. Other than to say buy another tank and start again. This time though you may not want to glue everything into permanent place, until you can verify that all is well and that in the future you'll never wanna change it.
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Tequila;3524804; said:
Ok, I'm sorry to say I read through both above threads and I still CANNOT understand why you did what you. To me it just seems that you pick one train of thought an ran with it with blinders on. Without doing any research aside from asking total strangers in the thread what they thought as long as everything was going good. Then when one person popped on the thread page 3 and said/stated that he/she throught that the silicone II was bad. ("make sure the silicon has no anti fungus stuff or that might harm your fish")

Though knowone else paid it much attention with the exception of you, throughout the rest of the thread. You started another thread questioning the safety of a known company's product ("GE Silicone II Window & Door IS it Safe???"). After the first two responses you your screaming Nooooo, then when someone else said they don't think it a problem you completely ignore them. Someone else response by saying: ("I think not. Some people have used it with success"). And you just go into a full downward spiral cash and burn nose dive. :nilly:


Did it never occur to you just to call GE and ask them. I mean who would know better GE or a bunch of faceless, nameless, varying levels of experienced avatars, I mean really now why didn't you just CALL GE, it's not like there an unknown company or new company. :screwy:


If you think I'm being unfair or too harash or uncaring, that's ok it's your opinion your entitled to it. I'm sorry I have no answers or suggestion for you to try. Other than to say buy another tank and start again. This time though you may not want to glue everything into permanent place, until you can verify that all is well and that in the future you'll never wanna change it.
:popcorn:


The title of this thread is "Please Help",
Not "Please Flame".
 
i know this may sound bad but once you get most of it scraped off add one layer of the zoo-stuff and then add more tile with sand in between
 
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