****MFK's Official '08-'09 NBA Discussion Thread****

[pdbrady]

I dont think they singled out Lebron. Stats are always corrected after the games are reviewed. This was just made a big deal because it cost him a record. Refs did not give the lakers that win they earned it.

Fisher was all over Allen on that last play. That's a foul, period. It wasn't a shooting foul, it just would have given them the ball back. And the refs DID play Garnett out of the game. Garnett got the t on the double t with Odom because he got in Odom's face. Why did he get in Odom's face? Because Odom was being antagonistic and slapped Garnett on the ass. They let LA play physical, but not Boston, because they had t'd up Boston multiple times, and they wanted to control them. Even the commentators made mention of it.

Sometimes a person would rather than be quiet that talk just to hear words...

I believe that every great philosopher known to man has said something to that extent in one way or another...

If that were the case, this thread wouldn't exist. That's the point of having it, so people will TALK about it. It's not jump in when their team wins to say "Go (insert team)!", and that's it. So what you're saying is the best these people have to say is "Go Lakers!"?......That would put them on the opposite end of the spectrum from the great philosiphers you speak of .


This IMO was a defining game and a statement game of what they can STILL-think last year- do without Bynum. I have a picture of Kobe pointing at Rondo, Garnett, Pierce, and Allen as my desktop-the one were there was a double technical on Rondo/Kobe after Rondo pushed Kobe after the play was over for no apparent reason. In this game the Lakers really d'ed up and said enough is enough; we will not be pushed around any more. I mean look at the last shot of the 4th and of OT, both perfect defensive possessions for the lakers with fall away threes from Boston in both situations. The picture with Gasol standing over Allen yeling and pounding his chest is priceless.

Rondo pushed Kobe, because Kobe pushed him first. It wasn't enough for Rondo to do it the way he did, but Kobe got in first. Rondo let his emotions get the best of him. See above for the last shot. And Gasol is the last person in the league that should be pounding his chest and yelling. He's one of the weakest guys in the league. Manut Bol was tougher than him . Though he does look like a gorilla. Maybe that's why he does it.

Looking forward to Sunday's game vs Cleveland...


ROFLMAO about Lebron getting stripped of rebound. He didn't deserve it anyway.
One of the worst quotes about LeBron I've ever seen. Though I have my opinions on things I don't like about parts of his game, the guy works his ass off as hard as anybody else in the league. He has physically put himself on another level, a level the league has NEVER seen. To say he didn't deserve it is bogus.

 

[Dragon Hunter]

ROFLMAO about Lebron getting stripped of rebound. He didn't deserve it anyway.
One of the worst quotes about LeBron I've ever seen. Though I have my opinions on things I don't like about parts of his game, the guy works his ass off as hard as anybody else in the league. He has physically put himself on another level, a level the league has NEVER seen. To say he didn't deserve it is bogus.

Dude did he get that rebound? yes or no? if he really got the rebound instead of Wallace than yeah he got robbed. But if he he didn't get that rebound do you think he would want that triple double on a phantom rebound that he didnt earn? I think Lebron has more class than that. Remember when Ricky Davis missed a shot on the other guys rim to get his last rebound for a triple double

just saw the replay i think he did get that rebound. well maybe not on a second view. looks like wallace had control and handed it to lebron.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNmD...cLwM4IQ/hqdefault.jpg&feature=player_embedded

 

[pdbrady]

Dude did he get that rebound? yes or no? if he really got the rebound instead of Wallace than yeah he got robbed. But if he he didn't get that rebound do you think he would want that triple double on a phantom rebound that he didnt earn? I think Lebron has more class than that. Remember when Ricky Davis missed a shot on the other guys rim to get his last rebound for a triple double

I thought they took away the last rebound of the game. I just caught a glance of them talking about it on tv, and they were showing the last board he grabbed at that time. But I just read a couple articles about it, and I think I know what one they're talking about. That's a "meh" call. There are so many of those taps that guy's don't get credit for, then some they do. Personally, I don't see taps as rebounds. A rebound is you getting control of the ball when it comes off the rim. The only taps that should count as rebounds are the ones that go straight from your hand, through the net. All these tip-tip-tips that don't go in, and guys get credit for 3 offensive boards are stupid. That's not a rebound. So in short, yes, I think that rebound belonged to LeBron. But who knows, maybe one of his other nine was actually a tip that he got credit for.

I guess I missed the Davis one. They didn't actually give it to him did they?

*Just watched the video. I'm with you, that's kinda wierd. I don't know what to think of it.

 

[Dragon Hunter]

I thought they took away the last rebound of the game. I just caught a glance of them talking about it on tv, and they were showing the last board he grabbed at that time. But I just read a couple articles about it, and I think I know what one they're talking about. That's a "meh" call. There are so many of those taps that guy's don't get credit for, then some they do. Personally, I don't see taps as rebounds. A rebound is you getting control of the ball when it comes off the rim. The only taps that should count as rebounds are the ones that go straight from your hand, through the net. All these tip-tip-tips that don't go in, and guys get credit for 3 offensive boards are stupid. That's not a rebound. So in short, yes, I think that rebound belonged to LeBron. But who knows, maybe one of his other nine was actually a tip that he got credit for.

I guess I missed the Davis one. They didn't actually give it to him did they?

Just watched the video. That' kinda wierd. I don't know what to think of it.

here is the ricky davis play. utah player punked him for that *** ****. plus it was illegal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezCclCSjNw

 

[pdbrady]

here is the ricky davis play. utah player punked him for that *** ****. plus it was illegal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MezCclCSjNw

Wow. Yeah, then he got knocked on his ass, as Jerry Sloan just sits in complete confusion lol.

 

[deangelo]

Fisher was all over Allen on that last play. That's a foul, period. It wasn't a shooting foul, it just would have given them the ball back. And the refs DID play Garnett out of the game. Garnett got the t on the double t with Odom because he got in Odom's face. Why did he get in Odom's face? Because Odom was being antagonistic and slapped Garnett on the ass. They let LA play physical, but not Boston, because they had t'd up Boston multiple times, and they wanted to control them. Even the commentators made mention of it.

foul?! aint no foul there, what i see is allen trying to get bailed out by the refs by flaling his arms as if he got fouled cause he saw gasol was gonna block him, he actually beat fisher to the spot but realized gasol was there to help...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKN67X_Dw-w

Gasol being one of the weakest guys in the league is priceless, yeah this supposed weak guy ave. more rebounds a game than

Garnett
amare
nene
kendrick perkins
lamarcus aldrige
k mart
and other supposed tough, strong guys




yeah pretty weak, when was the last time manute bol would ever avg. more rebounds than these guys

Le bron is a beast but you cant get no triple double without 10 rebounds 9 1/2 dont count

 

[Kobeclone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uidOb7Jv0rc

A clip of the supposed "foul". Wait until there is 48 seconds left and they do a close up. There is NO way that that is a shooting foul, or a non-shooting foul for that matter. If they let it go throughout the entire couse of the game, as they did, then you can not call it on the last play. At the time of the shot Fischer is 6 feet away, because of a push off by Allen, and Gasol is 4 feet away with Allen falling away because he already knows that Pau has him...

I have no idea why Gasol is every called a weak player?

As mentioned, look at his rebounding even when Bynum was playing his best this year and dominating the glass. Gasol still grabbed 10 boards a game....

Just because a post player can dominate the soft jump hook and the mid range jumper doesn't mean that they are soft.

I have NEVER seen Gasol back down defensively or offensively


And for the record, it is extremely irrational to argue that he deserved a triple double when he didn't earn it. What you don't know is that one of Lebron's teammates mentioned that he needed two rebounds for the 3-2 during the timeout with 1 minute left. He was purposely trying for the rebound. In fact, he mentioned during postgame that he was very fortunate that rebounds "bounced" his way (off his teammates hands) in the last couple minutes.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

My thoughts: Lebron - He didn't get that rebound, so he doesn't deserve it. Simple. I will agree with PD on the assist thing thought, it is completely subjective, however for this argument, the rebound is not subjective, so if it's not his, take it away. That will make up for the points he got off traveling anyway.

The game - I wouldn't have called the foul at the end, because it seemed that they were letting them play a little loose anyway, but as far as it being a defining game, I don't think so. Maybe it gives LA some extra confidence, but if they think that they got the same level of intensity from Boston in that game as they would get in the Finals, their nuts. It was a very good regular season game, but I'm not sold that statements are made during the regular season at all. Teams that have won a title, like Boston now, know that they have what it takes to win, and they can harness that when things get tight, in the playoffs. Even though LA won, they still do not know if they have what it takes to win a title, and if these teams meet again, Boston still has the edge.

Gasol - I think he does get a little bit of a bad rep for not being tough, but really the regular season isn't where guys get that rep, it's the post-season. Until he can play nasty in the big games (for him the finals), he won't shake that tag.

 

[deangelo]

look at the vid i posted KC it's clearer...

the lakers can "BUILD" on their win, it doesnt mean that they're the champs just yet..but to sweep the season series against boston is certainly something for the laker team to gain confidence on..and i dont buy that the celts didnt get up for these 2 games against the lakers, what are they numb?! teams have pride they dont let other teams just in to their home court and steal their thunder, listen to KG fire up his troops screaming they are the champs..

until some other team beats the celts in the playoffs they will still be the champs, i just hope the Lakers win it all

 

[pdbrady]

If you read my last post, you'll see that I agreed after watching the video xcuter posted . That was a different angle than the first I saw, and it showed things much clearer. Very weak move to try and get it that way. As for the foul/no foul, Fisher was hanging on and pushing Allen away from the 3pt line- THAT was the foul. On the ground, not shooting. Not the flop, because that was an obvious flop. It's funny you see Allen trying to clear room, but you don't see that he did it because Fisher was on him. I agree, if they weren't calling it all game, don't call it then. But they were calling it all game. I remember very well Rondo getting called for the very same thing, and it just so happened to be right about the time they t'd him.....hmm. Boston was getting very emotional, and the refs put a stop to it, but they didn't return the favor when it counted. As I said before, even the comm's were talking about it, so obviously someone agrees with me. Like I said, it's not that I really care, I was just saying what I saw. It's done, it's over, oh well. As far as this being a proving game, and as far as Gasol, Hamato pretty much summed it up. Besides, getting rebounds proves nothing about how weak/strong you are, is has to do with position .

Speaking of the Lakers, they just traded Radmonovic to Charlotte for Adam Morrison and Shannon Brown. That seems like a wierd shakeup. I don't see why LA would be interested in that deal.