One is a citrinellum,and one is a labiatus.The citrinellum is shorter and thicker.The liabatus is longer like a Dovii.And is alot meaner than the(midas)citrinellum.
Midas or Red Devil?
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Look at the lips from a top view. That is the easiest way to differentiate, There is a posting on Cichlid-forum.com that will help you determine which you have.
I agree, I think that posting was something like this:
Look at the fish head on, as if the fish was swimming towards you. Wait until its' head drops down, and look directly down on it, with emphasis on the head and lips region.
RD: Their lips will come to a point. Their cranial profile from this angle will be more 'V' shaped.
Midas: Their lips will be more blunt. Their cranial profile will be more 'U' shaped.
I have yet to see a mix of RDxMidas (what you usually see out there) that comes to a 'U' shape, though I wouldn't doubt it does exist. More often than not, you will see RDs with fairly large nuchal humps, where even the lips are quite thin and more 'midas-like', but when you see them from this view, it is still a 'V'.
They are my favorite cichlid BTW...did a LOT of research on them, and grew many, many up from youngsters to 14"+ adults..and continue to do so.
I am playing around with seeing how much Dominance vs. Pairing vs. Breeding vs. Food have on the nuchal hump size. As well, trying to test out if the nuchal hump enlarges with dominance in the presence of intra-species, intra-genus, intra-family or non-similar fish.
Figure I will be done my 'study' in about 20 years...stay tuned! haha
Seriously, I am even going to get rid of my Red Texas male with a very nice body profile and pattern, though he is not red, just to see if one of my 4 barred midas who are next dominant in the tank increase their almost non-existent nuchal humps (though they are high-backed and thick). Wish me luck.
Look at the fish head on, as if the fish was swimming towards you. Wait until its' head drops down, and look directly down on it, with emphasis on the head and lips region.
RD: Their lips will come to a point. Their cranial profile from this angle will be more 'V' shaped.
Midas: Their lips will be more blunt. Their cranial profile will be more 'U' shaped.
I have yet to see a mix of RDxMidas (what you usually see out there) that comes to a 'U' shape, though I wouldn't doubt it does exist. More often than not, you will see RDs with fairly large nuchal humps, where even the lips are quite thin and more 'midas-like', but when you see them from this view, it is still a 'V'.
They are my favorite cichlid BTW...did a LOT of research on them, and grew many, many up from youngsters to 14"+ adults..and continue to do so.
I am playing around with seeing how much Dominance vs. Pairing vs. Breeding vs. Food have on the nuchal hump size. As well, trying to test out if the nuchal hump enlarges with dominance in the presence of intra-species, intra-genus, intra-family or non-similar fish.
Figure I will be done my 'study' in about 20 years...stay tuned! haha
Seriously, I am even going to get rid of my Red Texas male with a very nice body profile and pattern, though he is not red, just to see if one of my 4 barred midas who are next dominant in the tank increase their almost non-existent nuchal humps (though they are high-backed and thick). Wish me luck.
I believe they are both Midas; because the Midas tends to be more round than
long. I am not stating that Midas do not grow large, but they tend to be more circular in shape when compared to the RD. I have a 8" Barred Midas male that is very aggressive towards both my 7" and 5" female RD's.
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long. I am not stating that Midas do not grow large, but they tend to be more circular in shape when compared to the RD. I have a 8" Barred Midas male that is very aggressive towards both my 7" and 5" female RD's.
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Does anyone think my RD females will ever breed with my Midas male? He has started to get restless, and is pulling their fins. I suppose he is trying to get them to lay eggs, but to no avail. The females just swim away from him. I have also been told that I should not allow them to breed- by separating them because we should attempt to keep the strains pure. What do you all think? All feedback is appreciated. Thanks.
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I say, if you KNOW you have pure Midas, try to find another midas female for him.
With that being said, if you just want to watch the spawn, then maybe this will help you:
1) I would bet the only reason they haven't bred for you already is that the female is just not getting enough food. Possibly remove the male, and try to pump the female. Do it for a week, pop the male back in, and you SHOULD see a breeding.
2) If you can not move the male, try the divider (or incomplete divider method). I personally HATE dividing my tanks like this, so instead when I throw them in smaller tanks to breed, I throw a clay flowerpot in a BARE tank. Grab a thick piece of slate so that it blocks the opening of the flowerpot, but only as much to allow the female inside, and keep the male outside.
Mine either bred on the slate, or in the flowerpot, though when they bred in the flowerpot, I had very, very low batches, as only a small amount of the eggs actually got fertilized.
You have to really keep an eye on them when you seperate a pair into a tank by themselves. Males can make quick work of females. Once you realize this, you will find they are as easy to breed as convicts, really.
Good luck!
With that being said, if you just want to watch the spawn, then maybe this will help you:
1) I would bet the only reason they haven't bred for you already is that the female is just not getting enough food. Possibly remove the male, and try to pump the female. Do it for a week, pop the male back in, and you SHOULD see a breeding.
2) If you can not move the male, try the divider (or incomplete divider method). I personally HATE dividing my tanks like this, so instead when I throw them in smaller tanks to breed, I throw a clay flowerpot in a BARE tank. Grab a thick piece of slate so that it blocks the opening of the flowerpot, but only as much to allow the female inside, and keep the male outside.
Mine either bred on the slate, or in the flowerpot, though when they bred in the flowerpot, I had very, very low batches, as only a small amount of the eggs actually got fertilized.
You have to really keep an eye on them when you seperate a pair into a tank by themselves. Males can make quick work of females. Once you realize this, you will find they are as easy to breed as convicts, really.
Good luck!
