Milk as Fish Food? Whaaat???

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I understand something of the use of fillers in food as well as fortifiers.

But I'm seeing Milk products (whey, etc) in fish food?
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Trix are for Kids, and Milk is for Mammals!**

Is this as nuts as it seems?

OK to be honest, until I came to MFK, I never was keenly aware of any particular issue of feeding "non-aquatic matter" as food to aquatic creatures. For 4 decades I fed nothing but Tetramin flake and Wardley's Shrimp pellets, & cheap steamed zucchini*. I always had big fat fish. Lots of filler (meal) was in that fish food, but it was in mine too . . . :uhoh:

Many years back, I started feeding Tetra pleco wafers to my common plecos & they got fatter yet. now most folks (and some of us Americans) understand that Fat isn't Healthy, and it dawned on me as well: fillers?

In the 1990's I cut back 75% on commercial foods and fed much zucchini to the big fish (Plecos, Silver Dollars.) It seemed to work well, and my plecos, who had never lived over 8 years were living to 14 !

Now I raise a lot more species, and stock a lot more commercial foods. I am becoming prejudiced that seafood is the holy grail, and that maybe I should eliminate commercial foods (milk!) and "terrestrial" foods for the big fish. I want to raise shrimp and feeders and maybe crawdads, but the extra work is a concern.

But I'm not sure I could do better than commercial food, as the issue of added vitamins and minerals + other modern fortifiers concerns me.

Recently I cut out the zucchini and started feeding Bug Bites, dried krill, AlgaeMax & Excel with spirulina. Impossible to say with what effect yet. I recently moved all these fish around and they're still unsettled, but still fat. I'm thinking a varied diet would be better than just PlecoWafers, Zucchinni and Tetramin.

Paying $50~100/lb for commercial foods is unwelcome, but for krill and spirulina-based it's not cheap.

*I live in the zucchini capitol of the known universe. It's almost like crabgrass here.

**When I wrote that I immediately envisioned a Hollywood mermaid, and 100% cognitive dissonance ensued.
 
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Yeah, as I said in the other thread, I was shocked when I saw that in the Sera food when I was looking into buying some.

One another note, you may want to reconsider Bug Bites. I tried those, again bc Cory or Aquarium Coop was promoting it. My fish liked it but RD explained in an older thread that the fat content is high in that product and it also has fillers.

Northfin started selling selling a higher quality "bug bite". It's "Bug Pro" line has more.black soldier fly larvae and better ingredients than the Bug bites. I have some that I'll eventually open when I use up more of my opened food.
 
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Also, my fish lived on poor quality foods and I have a pleco and clown Loaches that are over 20 years old. I didn't know any better and fed them Wardley Shrimp pelllets, Hikari algae wafers (this is actually one of the better products as I fed the even worse Wardley version at some point).

I also did water changes once a month so nitrates probably were in the hundreds.

Like you, I've tried to do better since I started researching stuff when I got excited about the hobby again last year.

I stopped feeding my Tetra foods even though I have 4 containers. The Hikari sinking pelllets are slightly better but I'm not opening the bag I found the other day (still good, expires Sept 2019).
 
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As I have purchased and tested various fish Foods they have all wound up in my little worm farm.

I've been feeding Felix the Oscar fresh bug bites and Omega one color pellets and he prefers the color pellets from Omega one by a wide margin.

I bought bug bites for plecos as well and I am trying those out but I have never seen them before.
 
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Northfin started selling selling a higher quality "bug bite". It's "Bug Pro" line has more.black soldier fly larvae and better ingredients than the Bug bites.

Yep, totally agree. NF's bug pro is far superior to Hagen/Fluval's formula. It's funny about the Wardley Shrimp pellets, clown loaches do indeed seem to love them. Just goes to show that one shouldn't let their fish pick what they eat, any more than you would a little kid. Most would just fill up on what appeals to their taste buds, like candy and cake.
 
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I understand something of the use of fillers in food as well as fortifiers.

But I'm seeing Milk products (whey, etc) in fish food?
:screwy:
Trix are for Kids, and Milk is for Mammals!**

Is this as nuts as it seems?

OK to be honest, until I came to MFK, I never was keenly aware of any particular issue of feeding "non-aquatic matter" as food to aquatic creatures. For 4 decades I fed nothing but Tetramin flake and Wardley's Shrimp pellets, & cheap steamed zucchini*. I always had big fat fish. Lots of filler (meal) was in that fish food, but it was in mine too . . . :uhoh:

Many years back, I started feeding Tetra pleco wafers to my common plecos & they got fatter yet. now most folks (and some of us Americans) understand that Fat isn't Healthy, and it dawned on me as well: fillers?

In the 1990's I cut back 75% on commercial foods and fed much zucchini to the big fish (Plecos, Silver Dollars.) It seemed to work well, and my plecos, who had never lived over 8 years were living to 14 !

Now I raise a lot more species, and stock a lot more commercial foods. I am becoming prejudiced that seafood is the holy grail, and that maybe I should eliminate commercial foods (milk!) and "terrestrial" foods for the big fish. I want to raise shrimp and feeders and maybe crawdads, but the extra work is a concern.

But I'm not sure I could do better than commercial food, as the issue of added vitamins and minerals + other modern fortifiers concerns me.

Recently I cut out the zucchini and started feeding Bug Bites, dried krill, AlgaeMax & Excel with spirulina. Impossible to say with what effect yet. I recently moved all these fish around and they're still unsettled, but still fat. I'm thinking a varied diet would be better than just PlecoWafers, Zucchinni and Tetramin.

Paying $50~100/lb for commercial foods is unwelcome, but for krill and spirulina-based it's not cheap.

*I live in the zucchini capitol of the known universe. It's almost like crabgrass here.

**When I wrote that I immediately envisioned a Hollywood mermaid, and 100% cognitive dissonance ensued.
I kind of noticed the same with one of our bichirs. Not the big chunky healthy look but quite the opposite (fat and obese). What worked for me was cutting back the overall pellet intake.
 
Take a look at the average pet dog, or cat, the vast majority in North America are obese. It's typically not the foods fault, in most cases it's a simple case of operator error. (over feeding) I feed 100% commercial pellet food, and I don't own any obese fish. A hungry fish is a healthy fish.

My 13+" 7 yr old male midas

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Take a look at the average pet dog, or cat, the vast majority in North America are obese. It's typically not the foods fault, in most cases it's a simple case of operator error. (over feeding) I feed 100% commercial pellet food, and I don't own any obese fish. A hungry fish is a healthy fish.

My 13+" 7 yr old male midas

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Wow, that is a show fish right there. Mind you RD, i'd expect nothing less from a fish food expert:grinyes:
 
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Ha, thanks, but I'm no expert. That photo was taken with a $20 point & shoot set in auto. lol
 
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