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wow so much excitement in this thread. I hope the op hasn't been thrown off by any of it. To the op. :) Although I don't think my input any more correct than anyone else' I will just say this. If you will be getting the fish at a small size it is safe to say you will need something like a 40 breeder for the first tank. Because of the extreme growth of RTC you will need to upgrade tanks every few months at first. If bought at 4" or less the 40 should last 2-4 months depending on it's individual growth. 40 gal breeder has a nice starting footprint for a small catfish. After that the next jump will need to be much larger. a 4' x 8' x 2-3' indoor pond would last a few years until you can arrange larger accommodations for it. Bigger jump in size of the tank is better than smaller so that the fish is handled and stressed less often. :) As for what size tank it should have in the long run???? These fish grow throughout their lives and some studies have suggested through analysis of the pectoral fin spine that large RTC may be as much as 40-60 years old at 80 lbs + in size. These fish would be over the 4' mark. Unless you end up with a genetic freak of a fish you will not see this size for many years. In the end it is the pet owner's responsibility to ensure the health of their animal and do what they feel is best. Every can argue all they want. No one can argue that yes the larger the provided habitat the better off the fish will be in the long run, but no one knows for sure exactly how the fish fares in smaller environments. For sure you will doom your fish if it is in less than 200 gals of water. Eventually the bioload will become too great and the fish will die for various reasons. 400 gals in the right footprint may hold this fish for life. How good of a life would that be??? not sure, but would be certainly much better in a 1000 gal tank for sure. If you look at vids of people that house them in multi thousand gallon enclosures they are not sedentary fish at all. They are actually quite active. I believe the size of the enclosure is key to the fish wanting to do more than just be lethargic and lay around. Of course it is in their nature to be nocturnal so for the majority of the day they will just lay around. But they do need space in order to be able to swim freely and at full speed when need be. In the future I hope to house one of these creatures in a tank of at least 4k gallons. I know from my personal experiences with them that they just act and swim much better in larger environments. They also tend to have less aggression towards other fish in larger tanks. We will never change your mind about getting one if that's what you want to do, but at least make sure that you provide the largest home for it you possibly can. PM me if need be. I am a master of ghetto fish keeping if that's what you have to do. Budget monster fish keepers can still do it, but it takes real dedication to build your own enclosures for a fraction of the costs of buying a ready made one. My planned mid tank for a rtc is currently 1200 gals. Of course it will be housed with other fish also. Hopefully I will get the green light from my landlord to build something in the range of 4-8k gals in the coming year or two. :) Good luck, and keep us posted
 
All you guys giving advice on RTC
Exactly how many of you keep them and have a 10,000 gal

Please don't say you will up grade when you need to as we all know that's rubbish

This is when the problems start

People buy a RTC for 55gal they do some reading and find that tank will be to small so they upgrade maybe to a 150 then maybe 250 then maybe a 500 then if they really live the fish even 1000 at this point it goes wrong

1. They can't go bigger
2. The fish is now to big for almost any private fishkeeper to take off your hand
3. You are getting to old to keep the fish as it has taken 15-20 years to outgrow the 1000

Now you have 2 choices

1. Set up the 1000 gal first and save some money from upgrades

2. DON'T BUY THE FISH IN THE FIRST PLACE


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All you guys giving advice on RTC
Exactly how many of you keep them and have a 10,000 gal

Please don't say you will up grade when you need to as we all know that's rubbish

This is when the problems start

People buy a RTC for 55gal they do some reading and find that tank will be to small so they upgrade maybe to a 150 then maybe 250 then maybe a 500 then if they really live the fish even 1000 at this point it goes wrong

1. They can't go bigger
2. The fish is now to big for almost any private fishkeeper to take off your hand
3. You are getting to old to keep the fish as it has taken 15-20 years to outgrow the 1000

Now you have 2 choices

1. Set up the 1000 gal first and save some money from upgrades

2. DON'T BUY THE FISH IN THE FIRST PLACE


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thats why i say that intex pools are the best bet for most keepers, they arent to expensive and they are pretty large
 
All you guys giving advice on RTC
Exactly how many of you keep them and have a 10,000 gal

Please don't say you will up grade when you need to as we all know that's rubbish

This is when the problems start

People buy a RTC for 55gal they do some reading and find that tank will be to small so they upgrade maybe to a 150 then maybe 250 then maybe a 500 then if they really live the fish even 1000 at this point it goes wrong

1. They can't go bigger
2. The fish is now to big for almost any private fishkeeper to take off your hand
3. You are getting to old to keep the fish as it has taken 15-20 years to outgrow the 1000

Now you have 2 choices

1. Set up the 1000 gal first and save some money from upgrades

2. DON'T BUY THE FISH IN THE FIRST PLACE


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+100000


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My problem with this was the endless Leaks. Couldnt imagine ever putting one in a house. Was bad enough in my garage. Leaks were impossible to find and patch also. Maybe if you put a pond liner in also as i have seen several people do. Great idea but all variables need taken into consideration. I will be building my own ponds from now on although an intex should be kept on hand fir emergencies imo.
thats why i say that intex pools are the best bet for most keepers, they arent to expensive and they are pretty large
 
AS one of those people who house cats in a Intex pool...

A) a 45mil liner is a necessity imo ( I tried w/out not only did my fish start getting sick ( we will likely never know if it's connected or not 100% but imo it is) But sand in the bottom of the pool along with our pump caused pin-hole leaks everywhere! found our iir it's an 18mil liner on the bottom 20 on the sides...)

B) I have 2 big cats ( a hybrid and a TSN, both slender bodied then an RTC) they utilize it... and imo when we build a more permamnent pond for them in our basement we will be aiming for 2k+ range over our initial 1k+ range... I just don't see them being "happy" with tank-mates ect in 1k.

I think 10k would be amazing to have for my cats... shallow and deeper areas ect... But other then sealing and flooding our basement its not gonna happen. Also 1k gallons for a single RTC no tank mates ect... is imo an absolute minimum... Not to mention the filtration...

Yeah the Intex pool and 45mil liner where fairly cheap.. but it also looks cheap... and we went w/ a DIY filteration set-up we are still tweeking... we are Easily over 1k$ on the price point... def cheaper then a glass tank built by someone else in our house. But it has also caused strain in my husband and I's relationship ect....

It's like buying a dog or horse, or large bird.... There is a certain level of dedication past the "average" fish that most people keep.

I "knew" what I was getting into when I got my first big cat.... And I'm still learning something new each day.

For some people it's OK to stuff a RTC in a 500gallon and call it a day... To me it's not any better then stuffing a parakeet in a 14"x14" cage giving it water and food but denying it any further "appreciation"... Some people this its perfectly healthy and acceptable.. and TBH some of us just know better. Ignorance can be bliss.

And T1 while I agree with you 99% I don't agree that everyone who says they will upgrade properly won't... because I am one of those people. That being said.. my husband and I own our own house, and he enjoys the fish as much as I do and we don't get anything we have no clue how to house to begin with... Let alone don't have an understanding of how big it will get, specialized needs ect... but catfish do grow insanely fast and when you bring home that 2" cute baby you better be drawing up your plans for that "big tank" because they will need it much sooner then most other monster fish.... think this is where the catfish keepers often get caught.... instead of having a few years to plan, prep, ect most are lucky to have 1yr before that cat outgrows your biggest "tank" realistically.

I am a firm believed that 90% or better of deformaties you see in catfish are from inadequate housing... filtration/water volume or both... heck even feeding... feeding a 2' catfish a quality healthy diet isn't cheap ( I don't believe a 100% diet w/ pellets is healthy and my fish can prove that) ... I know when our boys hit 3' they won't get any cheaper... My catfish cost more then our rays and gar to feed... and some of our gars are 24"+ Not to mention the cost of water.. electricity... it all adds up... tbh at the end of the month our 1k pool w/ 8 gar 2 rays, and 2 cats costs more then my 18yr old gelding does to house/feed/ect... But we have zero deformaties and up until about 2 monthes ago now 2yrs + we had zero issues with our fish or filtration.

Plan wise Go as big as you can afford/have the space for... then decide if a RTC is for you... nobody has mentioned really yet that they will also outlive most other pets... Its a investment of 40yrs potentially if done right.
 
My problem with this was the endless Leaks. Couldnt imagine ever putting one in a house. Was bad enough in my garage. Leaks were impossible to find and patch also. Maybe if you put a pond liner in also as i have seen several people do. Great idea but all variables need taken into consideration. I will be building my own ponds from now on although an intex should be kept on hand fir emergencies imo.
this is very true
 
My problem with this was the endless Leaks. Couldnt imagine ever putting one in a house. Was bad enough in my garage. Leaks were impossible to find and patch also. Maybe if you put a pond liner in also as i have seen several people do. Great idea but all variables need taken into consideration. I will be building my own ponds from now on although an intex should be kept on hand fir emergencies imo.

And this is exactly what we intend to do with it once we build an actual brick/concrete permanent enclosure ( we are researching how to do a enclosure much as you see in zoos/aquariums to keep the humidity ect contained and what we will need to accomplish this)
 
AS one of those people who house cats in a Intex pool...

A) a 45mil liner is a necessity imo ( I tried w/out not only did my fish start getting sick ( we will likely never know if it's connected or not 100% but imo it is) But sand in the bottom of the pool along with our pump caused pin-hole leaks everywhere! found our iir it's an 18mil liner on the bottom 20 on the sides...)

B) I have 2 big cats ( a hybrid and a TSN, both slender bodied then an RTC) they utilize it... and imo when we build a more permamnent pond for them in our basement we will be aiming for 2k+ range over our initial 1k+ range... I just don't see them being "happy" with tank-mates ect in 1k.

I think 10k would be amazing to have for my cats... shallow and deeper areas ect... But other then sealing and flooding our basement its not gonna happen. Also 1k gallons for a single RTC no tank mates ect... is imo an absolute minimum... Not to mention the filtration...

Yeah the Intex pool and 45mil liner where fairly cheap.. but it also looks cheap... and we went w/ a DIY filteration set-up we are still tweeking... we are Easily over 1k$ on the price point... def cheaper then a glass tank built by someone else in our house. But it has also caused strain in my husband and I's relationship ect....

It's like buying a dog or horse, or large bird.... There is a certain level of dedication past the "average" fish that most people keep.

I "knew" what I was getting into when I got my first big cat.... And I'm still learning something new each day.

For some people it's OK to stuff a RTC in a 500gallon and call it a day... To me it's not any better then stuffing a parakeet in a 14"x14" cage giving it water and food but denying it any further "appreciation"... Some people this its perfectly healthy and acceptable.. and TBH some of us just know better. Ignorance can be bliss.

And T1 while I agree with you 99% I don't agree that everyone who says they will upgrade properly won't... because I am one of those people. That being said.. my husband and I own our own house, and he enjoys the fish as much as I do and we don't get anything we have no clue how to house to begin with... Let alone don't have an understanding of how big it will get, specialized needs ect... but catfish do grow insanely fast and when you bring home that 2" cute baby you better be drawing up your plans for that "big tank" because they will need it much sooner then most other monster fish.... think this is where the catfish keepers often get caught.... instead of having a few years to plan, prep, ect most are lucky to have 1yr before that cat outgrows your biggest "tank" realistically.

I am a firm believed that 90% or better of deformaties you see in catfish are from inadequate housing... filtration/water volume or both... heck even feeding... feeding a 2' catfish a quality healthy diet isn't cheap ( I don't believe a 100% diet w/ pellets is healthy and my fish can prove that) ... I know when our boys hit 3' they won't get any cheaper... My catfish cost more then our rays and gar to feed... and some of our gars are 24"+ Not to mention the cost of water.. electricity... it all adds up... tbh at the end of the month our 1k pool w/ 8 gar 2 rays, and 2 cats costs more then my 18yr old gelding does to house/feed/ect... But we have zero deformaties and up until about 2 monthes ago now 2yrs + we had zero issues with our fish or filtration.

Plan wise Go as big as you can afford/have the space for... then decide if a RTC is for you... nobody has mentioned really yet that they will also outlive most other pets... Its a investment of 40yrs potentially if done right.

Thats right on, PLAN WISE. Also, i just wanna remind people that we actually do have a rtc "warning" thread sticky.

Usually, the bigger the fish/collection the more dedication and $ we will need. We all can compensate for the money part but the dedication, its something else.


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My solution to this was a fitted lid with just enough gap to allow gas exchange. Keeps evaporation and heat loss to a min. Also the electric bill.
And this is exactly what we intend to do with it once we build an actual brick/concrete permanent enclosure ( we are researching how to do a enclosure much as you see in zoos/aquariums to keep the humidity ect contained and what we will need to accomplish this)
 
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