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KUDOS IN BIG FRIGGIN MONSTERFISH CAPITAL SIZED LETTERS!!!!! Anyone who can keep a tank clean and their fish that healthy with big preds like that deserves to be called a monsterfshkeeper! Hardcore>:)
P.s. Did not know that was your tank! That was my favorite pic in the WHOLE calender!
 
sandtiger;852264; said:

he said 50% once a week, wet/dry, denitraters, and the nitrates will get to about 100ppm before the change. personally I would throw an extra couple of water changes in the mix, but if the rays can handle it then I suppose it can't be that bad
(got the info from the link)
 
rallysman;852650; said:
he said 50% once a week, wet/dry, denitraters, and the nitrates will get to about 100ppm before the change. personally I would throw an extra couple of water changes in the mix, but if the rays can handle it then I suppose it can't be that bad
(got the info from the link)

Thanks, I missed that. Sounds like a nice setup but the nitrates prove my point, they reach 100ppm within a week I would consider that overstocked. I keep my nitrates below 20ppm with weekly water changes. His setup might look nice now but IMO he is likely to enounter some proplems, especially as those monsters grow.
 
I looked at all the comments, his tank is only 6x2.5x2.5 with a 4ft sump, I plan on setting up my 6x2x2.5 with a 4ft sump for a leichardti, 4 Silver dollars, 2 Plecos and maybe 6 clown loaches after I get a new tank, I am already thinking about what to upgrade to. I think I will have to upgrade in 2yrs after I get it (roughly) as the tank isn't wide enough (2ft wide).
Having all those big fish in my tank even if it was 6" wider just wouldn't sit right with me.
 
marshy;850860; said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence!

My concern is that with their comments, other aspiring MFKers who chance upon my vid might think twice... seeing that most "fishkeepers" in there comment that its a big no no way of fishkeeping!

We need more MFKers in this world! :headbang2

I'm convinced. I'll see what I can do with my 10 gallon tank.

MFK'ers rocks.
 
werd , you have some real D's out there, they just dont know what they are talkin about, i mean sure it might look overcrouded but when you have the experience to back that its a really cool look
 
awesome tank man
 
sandtiger;852657; said:
Thanks, I missed that. Sounds like a nice setup but the nitrates prove my point, they reach 100ppm within a week I would consider that overstocked. I keep my nitrates below 20ppm with weekly water changes. His setup might look nice now but IMO he is likely to enounter some proplems, especially as those monsters grow.

Have there been any studies really showing what negative effects nitrates have on fish. I know someone who has had multiple fish spawn in a tank with nitrates over 200ppm. I personally don't like to see mine get above 50ppm but Marshy has multiple rays that he has had for some time and they are obviously thriving.
 
sandtiger;852657; said:
Thanks, I missed that. Sounds like a nice setup but the nitrates prove my point, they reach 100ppm within a week I would consider that overstocked. I keep my nitrates below 20ppm with weekly water changes. His setup might look nice now but IMO he is likely to enounter some proplems, especially as those monsters grow.

FYI, Hes had this setup for years. Even before mfk started. :)
 
unknownuza13;852918; said:
Have there been any studies really showing what negative effects nitrates have on fish. I know someone who has had multiple fish spawn in a tank with nitrates over 200ppm. I personally don't like to see mine get above 50ppm but Marshy has multiple rays that he has had for some time and they are obviously thriving.

Yes, there have been studies. Don't know if you read TFH but if you go back to the August 2005 issue you will find an article on nitrates.
Straight out of the article itself...
"In several studies, hybrid striped bass exposed to nitrate levels of over 200 milligrams per liter for periods of up to a couple months showed a suppressed immune response and hemlytic changes, including an abnormaly high number of immature red blood cells. Some of the nitrate exposed fish developed jaundice, and in one of the studies , they appeared to go blind, swimming into objects and the walls of the tank a week after nitrates reached the 200 mg/L marl. In the same study fish began to die after seven weeks of exposure. Dissection revealed that many had abnormal spleens, livers and kidneys. Viewed under a microscope, the gill filaments of fish that lived in nitrate-rich water often looked abnormal...the apperance of the gills is often brownish, instead of being a nice bright red color...and while normal gill filimanets look like long slender fingers, she adds, those of nitrate exposed fish often looked clubbed- that is, thickened and stuck together, something that drastically reducedes the gills overall surface area and therefore affects both osmoregulation and the fishes ability to extract oxygen from the water."

High nitrates aren't likely to kill a fish but they are responsable for other things. Stunting is caused by high nitrates, so is HITH, swim baldder problems, ulcers, anemia, tuberculosis and just stress in general. Even if you cannot see anything physically wrong with the fish, that doesn't mean there isen't. And just because a fish "lives a long time" also does not mean anything is wrong. You can live your entire life around ciggerette smoke but that dosen't make it healthy. On top of that, what do people consider a long time? I don't know how long the OP has had his fish but he has species in there that can live more then 15 years. A lot of the fish in the OP's tank can reach much larger sizes then the sizes his specimens represent...what will happen if they do reach those sizes? Most waste will be produced and nitrates will climb even higher then they are already. If they don't grow at all, perhaps because of the nitrates again then they will be stunted. Either way, problems will arise. And there may be problems already. Why is his catfish vertical in the corner swimming in place? Why is his datnoid constantly rubbing it's sides on the gravel. Are these related to nitrates or just stress in general due to how they are being kept? And that brings up another issue, the stress just from living in that type of environment. It may work for some fish but do the species he have like haivng to constantly rub bodies with other fish? Wouldn't his catfish be better off with a place to hide? These are living things and they needed to be treated as such. There is more to keeping fish then just feeding them and filtering their tank.

More research....
10ppm of nitrate-nitrogen (that's a mere 3.03 ppm of nitrate) has been shown to have adverse effects on salmonids such as Oncorhynchus mykiss, Oncorhynchus tshawytscha and Salmo clarki, as well as upon a number of freshwater invertebrates and frogs.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/item.php?news=560

Histological survey was made to determine nitrate toxicity on the Medaka fish, Oryzias latipes. In order to investigate the effects of short-term exposure to nitrate, one-month-old Medaka fish was exposed to NaNO3 at concentrations of 100 and 125 mg NO3-N l-1 for 96 hours. At the end of the exposure period, survival rate was found to be 30% and 10%, for the 100 and 125 mg NO3-N l-1 exposure concentrations, respectively. Histological examination of the organs showed that disruption of cell alignment was a common feature in the gills, intestinal ampulla, liver and kidney. A long-term exposure experiment was also carried out, whereby Medaka fish was exposed to NaNO3 (100 and 125 mg NO3-N l-1) for three months from its egg stage. Eggs treated with NaNO3 hatched within 10 days after fertilization. At the end of the exposure period, survival rate in the 100 and 125 mg NO3-N l-1 treatments were 40% and 30%, respectively. Fibrosis of the hepatic cells and curved spinal column were observed in the juveniles subjected to long-term nitrate exposure. The results of our experiments suggest that the high mortality resulting from short-term acute exposure to nitrate is caused by general dysfunction throughout the whole body. The chronic toxic effects attributed to nitrate, following long-term exposure, were likely to have resulted from nutrient deficiency caused by hepatic dysfunction.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=15173627&dopt=Abstract
 
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