I watched Transformers for the first time on Tuesday on my 5.1 at night and it was one of the best movie experiances I've had in a long time.
Movies with good sound effects?
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señor_pescados_felices;1312263; said:
DTS ES is better than regular DD and quite bit better than DD EX as well. This isn't opinion it is fact that can be supported, so you don't have to "buy into it".
I totally believe you however when you say a movie recorded in 5.1 sound format sounds about as good to you as a movie recorded in 6.1 or 7.1.Your standard movie buff can hardly tell the difference,if at all, between a movie played in 7.1 and a movie played in 5.1.
Sure a receiver can recode a movie formatted in 5.1 to 6.1 or 7.1 and many will not be able to tell the difference.Heck a 5.1 receiver can take a 2.0 T.V. signal and recode it into 5.1,separating the background noise.But if you go rent the same movie it will sound better than when you watched it on HBO because its in true 5.1
On my Harmon and Kardon 7.1 I definitely notice the difference between a movie recorded in dolby surround (2.0) that my receiver is recoding into 7.1 and a movie recorded in Dolby Digital (5.1) being recoded into 7.1.The difference is mostly in clarity, esp that of the rear channels.
The difference between a movie in 5.1 being recoded into 7.1 and a movie already formatted in 7.1 is less but still noticeable.The difference between 6.1 and 7.1 is extremely hard to discern even for me however but still the facts remain that to the trained ear 7.1 would still sound better than 6.1,and thus DTS ES is indeed better than DD EX,even if it's only by single additional channel.
Also I will note that unless you have gone out and purchased a digital coaxial sound cable to run from your DVD player to your receiver it doesn't matter what format the movie was recorded in.Your only listening to 2.0 if all you have connecting your DVD to your receiver is the red and white L/R cables.
As mentioned,your receiver will still recode the movie into however many channels it's capable of supporting but it won't be the same, and you wont even have anything to compare it to to know what your missing unless you go get the cable.
This may be obvious for some but I used to work in a home entertainment business and cannot even go into the number of times I would see people with high end receivers that they weren't even really using because they didn't have the digital audio cable.
I have over 600 DVD's and I have a bunch that are DTS ES and in that pile there are movies that do NOT sound as good as some of the 5.1 titles I own. I also have between 50 and 60 DVD-A's and SACD's and some of those dont sound nearly as good as a great recorded REGULAR CD.
Its not WHAT format the material is recorded on its HOW WELL it is recorded. YES DTS ES has more bit space available for audio but that doesnt mean it USES it. YES it can be the better format but its up to the engineer mixing the sound to place it correctly. And these are the "facts".
Also the ONLY difference between 6.1 and 7.1 is the addition of a second surround speaker. They are both being fed the SAME signal at all times, whether its MATRIXED 5.1 or DESCRETE 6.1. There is no "TRUE" 7.1, only 6.1, even DTS ES is only a 6.1 codec.
I enjoy the extra rear channel mostly because of the size of my theater. The use of 2 back surrounds opens up the sweet spot.
BTW I am in no way a "standard movie buff", I have a lot of time and money invested in my theater and I always try to get the best possible experience out of it. My gear is calibrated to achieve its fullest performance.
EWURM, YES your optical cable is fine, it does the same exact thing as a COAXIAL cable.
I see what you are saying,I had not really taken that into consideration at the time I will admit.It is true, some choose not to use DTS ES to it's fullest but this is rarely the case,as it is undeniably more costly to record in DTS ES format than in reg 5.1 even when recorded as well as it could possibly be.
This means that a movie recorded in 5.1 could sound nearly as good as a 6.1 or 7.1 movie if they shell out the extra $$ to do a superb recording job, but as mentioned this is not commonplace.
So pretty much yes I suppose I see what your saying but what I had stated still rings true...I guess I just need to rephrase my original statement:
"DTS ES definately has the potential to be better than regular DD and quite bit better than DD EX as well."
BTW yes those aren't true 7.1, DD EX is 6.1 DTS ES is 6.1 with an encrypted 7th channel.DD EX is DPS (digitally partially discrete),delivering 5 audio channels, 1 extracted audio channel and 1 LFE channel from a 6 channel source.DTS ES is completely digitally discrete and delivers 6 discrete audio channels and 1 LFE channel from a 7 channel source.
However, with the fairly recent release of HD DVD and Blue ray come better sound formats that do have true 7.1.Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital True HD all deliver 7 audio channels and 1 LFE channel from an 8 channel source...I'm not sure if you have a HD DVD player or a Blue Ray player but on these formats there WILL NOT be any two of your speakers receiving the same signal.
I have also helped setup personal home theaters that utilized THX 10.2, but thats another story
anyhow it was nice discussing home audio with a fellow connoisseur,if that is a fitting enough replacement for "buff"
And as stated,yes wurm,the optical digital and the coaxial digital are both examples of an audio digital cable.
This means that a movie recorded in 5.1 could sound nearly as good as a 6.1 or 7.1 movie if they shell out the extra $$ to do a superb recording job, but as mentioned this is not commonplace.
So pretty much yes I suppose I see what your saying but what I had stated still rings true...I guess I just need to rephrase my original statement:
"DTS ES definately has the potential to be better than regular DD and quite bit better than DD EX as well."
BTW yes those aren't true 7.1, DD EX is 6.1 DTS ES is 6.1 with an encrypted 7th channel.DD EX is DPS (digitally partially discrete),delivering 5 audio channels, 1 extracted audio channel and 1 LFE channel from a 6 channel source.DTS ES is completely digitally discrete and delivers 6 discrete audio channels and 1 LFE channel from a 7 channel source.
However, with the fairly recent release of HD DVD and Blue ray come better sound formats that do have true 7.1.Dolby Digital Plus, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital True HD all deliver 7 audio channels and 1 LFE channel from an 8 channel source...I'm not sure if you have a HD DVD player or a Blue Ray player but on these formats there WILL NOT be any two of your speakers receiving the same signal.
I have also helped setup personal home theaters that utilized THX 10.2, but thats another story
anyhow it was nice discussing home audio with a fellow connoisseur,if that is a fitting enough replacement for "buff"
And as stated,yes wurm,the optical digital and the coaxial digital are both examples of an audio digital cable.
walls;1312426; said:I love talking about this stuff so if you wish to continue maybe a Mod can seperate the thread for us as I do not want to hijack the thread.
or make one or PM him.... DEE DEE DEE
sorry. i was watching carlos and he got to me.
fantasia 2000 has great surround. especially when mickey is runnin around the set. lol. i saw the Premier of it at IMAX.
ewurm;1312481; said:
Sounds great in theory but the only "universal" model is one from Samsung that plays Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs but the problem with the player is that it ONLY plays the HD-DVD movie itself. It does not allow one to acces the menu or the special features on the disc. Besides it runs around $1100 retail, my HD-DVD player was $499 and I can get a Sony Blu player for $499 and have the best of both worlds.
I just want to see if Sony puts out a different player in the spring as the current model has a 'clunky' transport.
