alright... well i put a plexiglass divider in last night and use some styrofoam on the outsides to make is stay. i didnt think they would climb it because it wasnt even and inch thick. but they did...so im in the process of making a new divider. and no Ryan there is none of that. i both the leos do it when i first got them when they were going for a cricket but there hasnt been anymore of that. and another problem i just came across is i put some meal worms in and when my leo lunged at it she/he missed and took a nice chunk out of the paper towel and almost swalloed it...but it spit it out.