Hi there, thanks againe for all the replys! hes aprox 12" right now. although hes a hard fish to meassure, very active. By the way Haywood why do you want to get rid of yours? as far as looks is he smaller? i kno as they get bigger the pattern seesm to change a bit, and also what is ur pH at? I herd they like harder water, and mine is in a ph of 8 and has had amazing colors, maby try boosting it and see if he like it?