My First Natives :)

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divemaster99

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All I can say is FINALLY. I've been wanting to keep natives since the day I started keeping fish but stuff came up, long story I've never got to keep them until now. Laid down my foot today and told myself if I'm going on a collection trip anyway why not keep a few fish instead of giving them all to others. 6 hours of walking up and down the allegheny river and a local creek later and I went home with 4 fish: an un-ID'd chub (I'm guessing creek), a male and female Greenside Darters, and a Green Sumfish. The sunfish is about 2.5", darters are 2.5" and 3", and the chub is 4".

I was originally planning on putting them in my 75 gallon but I realized in the end all I need to set them up a tank is a new stand since I have an extra tank or two laying around. So, I'll be putting them in a 30 gallon long as a growout tank as soon as I can get a stand (2-3 days) but for now they're in a 5 gallon bucket with a seeded sponge filter attached to a rock and a bit of PVC pipe to hide in. I'll be doing a bunch of small water changes while they're in the bucket to prevent any ammonia buildup although I'm pretty confident that the sponge filter should do most of the ammonia removal.

My final plans when all the fish are fully grown are going to be: give the green sunfish the 30 long to itself, give the darter pair a 20 tall (and hopefully spawn them), and the chub...meh I'll figure something out but worst comes to worst I'll put it in my 75 trop since it's only set on 75 F and where I got it gets hotter than that in the water during June-August.

Cant wait to get these guys in an actual tank!

Pictures coming in a few!

PS since I'm new to natives any advice about these species would be greatly appreciated such as feeding since their wild. I plan on feeding frozen bloodworms tonight but obviously I don't want to feed the same thing every day so what are some other foods I could feed and what's some good tips how to wane them on to dry?
 
very easy to get them on pellets and flakes

Really, even darters? What is the best method to do so? I plan on starting them on all frozen for a few weeks then starting to mix in fry and eventually to foinf mainly dry meals with frozen only every few days.
 
Well this isn't a good sign: they aren't eating frozen bloodworms. Don't have anything else frozen on me and the soonest I can get anything else is tomorrow evening. Is it just because they're still acclimating or should I worry since nobody is eating?
 
Well worst comes to worst I can try some cichlid fry if necessary.
 
Woke up this morning and everybody is good and active but the sunfish definitely doesn't like the chub getting in its space and with such little area in a 5 gallon bucket that's a problem. Now the chub is just cowering in one spot at the surface and the sunfish even attacks him up there occasionally. I could put him (chub) into my 75 and see if it gets along with the fish in there but I'm still worried any of the natives could have disease...
 
Felt bad that they had to be in such a small tight place until I set up the new tank so I dug in my basement and found a big bin. Transferred half the water from their bucket and added a few five gallon buckets if fresh water and now they're in a 14 gallon Rubbermaid with the sponge filter, a medium sized rock, and a piece of 2 1/4" PVC. They all seem way happier in it, the darters (as always) are literally hopping up and down the walls and all accross the bottom, the chub isn't being attacked unless it goes under the sponge filter, and my sunfish has enough spce between it and other fish it seems to NBA really mellowing down.

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Only advice I have for you is green sunfish are extremely aggressive and territorial. You'll probably want to keep it by itself because if will most likely kill the chub.


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i remember keeping a feeder chub with my LMB, they would steal crawlers outta my LMB and GSF mouths. thought they'd be aggresive
and on the darters ive only kept them and fed them crawlers, but easily got sunfish on pellets n flakes
 
Woke up this morning and everybody is good and active but the sunfish definitely doesn't like the chub getting in its space and with such little area in a 5 gallon bucket that's a problem. Now the chub is just cowering in one spot at the surface and the sunfish even attacks him up there occasionally. I could put him (chub) into my 75 and see if it gets along with the fish in there but I'm still worried any of the natives could have disease...

The Sunfish will probably do better in your tropical tank than the Chub.
 
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