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pelleeklund

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May 23, 2009
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First of all, I screwed up, it's that kind of boner. I did a massive water change (about 50%) on my 220 last sunday hoping to compensate for past weeks of neglect. One 10in. Peacock Bass is now dead and I would like to save the rest from the same fate, even though their symptoms seem pretty irreversible. So many things went wrong this day I can't begin to figure out what the hell my fish are suffering from now, but hopefully someone can pinpoint this problem and I can do something quick. I hope I can thin out a few of the soapbox responses by starting off saying that I already know i'm an idiot and in the interest of honesty here is all of the stupid things I did despite my better judgement. That means I did them fully aware that this result, although unwelcome, was a possibility.

1. 50% water change - Usually do a 20-25% change but since it was above freezing for the first time in a long while I could use my hose out back to refill my tank. It's much easier than making the 3 floor run with 5 gallon buckets of water. Seems like subconsciously I thought I was storing up clean water in the tank for winter or something and got a little overzealous.

2. Not checking if I had water conditioner to neutralize the ****-awful alkaline chlorine "water" that comes out of that hose - Ended up not having any. Still don't, but I believe that may be a moot point now.

3. Ignoring symptoms and doing nothing about the problem but hoping time would eventually fix it. - old Irish technique, ask my grandparents. In my defense the holidays have been a snowy icy nightmare and with all of the gift buying and visits with the relatives time has been in short supply.

Now that the air is clean I will try to explain the symptoms the remaining fish are experiencing.

1. Possible shedding of their slime coats which i figure most likely comes from the shock and chemical makeup of the added water. Bubbly clear bits of what im guessing is their coat are floating around in the water.

2. White patches on some of the fish which in the worse cases has surrounded the eyes and clouded them over. These are not raised areas, just discolored. Ive never seen this yet.

3. Fraying at the end of the fish's fins.

4. Lethargy, all the cichlids are constantly laying on their sides at the bottom.

5. Lack of appetite. All of these fish were enthusiastic eaters, food used to cause a frenzy, now they all ignore it.

What's weird and may be a clue to a diagnoses is that the two fish with the least symptoms are the catfish. Most surprisingly ones an iridescent shark, which is usually the first to get sick. The other is a channel cat, who remains fine but I'm pretty sure they could survive a nuclear holocaust. The remaining fish are 1 ten inch JD, one eleven inch oscar, and one four inch oscar. If anyone could help me with a possible solution I would be very grateful. Please just diagnoses and solution ideas though, I want to fix this problem quick, not listen to someone blow themselves at my expense.
 
so you still havent gotten water conditioner yet? i would buy some asap and add it
 
I'm on that first thing tomorrow. Honestly I knew these guys were a bit banged up but ive been so busy I didn't know to what extent. Burying the bass tonight got my attention.
 
pelleeklund;3748958; said:
Yeah I run two filters and the one uses carbon. I could change that out with some fresh stuff.
yes i would add as much as you can, it will remove some chlorine.


your tank is probably also going through a ammonia spike from recent deaths, hopefully the water didnt kill your biological filter tho.
 
Activated charcoal is effective in a tank for about 3 days, if your carbon is older than that, its the same as it not being in there. Get some new stuff in NOW.

The newly added water... was it cold or warm?

I am just wondering if we are dealing with thermal shock in addition to the other troubles.

What was the GH and nitrates before this and what are they now?
 
The temp is what I was wondering about too. If you run it from an outside spicket it is probably frigid and you may have shocked the fish. Where is your tank? If it is in the basement isn't there a sink down there?
 
Well, If this has happened a few day's ago, then the chlorine has probably evaporated out of the tank by know. If the fish aren't doing better, they probably have some damage done to their gills. This type of damage will heal, but never fully. The whitish patches that you are describing sound like they could be a couple of things. One, is skin irritation causing extra slime coat production, something likely if they had a chlorine spike. Another could be various bacterial infections, all of which should clear up on their own given good water quality. It kinda sounds as if the water quality may not be that great. So, I would recomend getting some stress coat, and doing smaller water changes every day.
I don't recomend using garden hoses to fill up the tanks. Garden hoses contain a plasticizing agent to keep them more flexible, and this agent can leach into the water. It hasn't been proven to be nontoxic to fishes, and has been implicated in troubles a few times. I use a piece of vinyl hose from the home depot, about 100' long, with a diy spigot adapter.
Are the fish gasping at the surface? Did you add any salt? I don't generally recomend adding salt as a cure all, but if your fish are in osmotic shock then the salt will help stabilize that. Any ammonia or nitrite? Is there a difference between the pH and hardness of your source water and the tank?
When you are dealing with a tank that has not had a good cleaning in a long time, the best method for getting it right is to do many, small water changes. For you 220, I would change out about 20-30 gallons every day. If you do massive water changes, you could change the tank parameters drastically, resulting in problems. If you keep up with the water changes, then you can do massive water changes because the source water is very close to the tank water.
 
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