yeah they all do pretty well at hiding away, i will take some more in focus pictures of the other turts tomorrow, i keep telling my sister to get a bigger tank and better filteration for the yellow belly, i have a 304 fluval i can give her to filter the tank. i may change the geckos setup to sand but im not sure if its worth the risk of impaction, i will read up more when i have some free time. Btw the snake is a sinaloan milk snake. last but not least iggy is 3 .5 years old, she is doing really well and she is on a balanced diet of goodies. she gets well looked after by me and my girlfriend, she is a cow whilst she is in her viv but once out shes good as gold. i will get some more detailed pictures tomorrow eve! thanks for the info and nice comments! 