My NEW "Super-Duper Red" EMPEROR STRAIN Firemouths

[Cyberman]

So what is franky?

Franky is short for Frankenstein... I guess you've confused some of the things I've been saying

 

[BIG-G]

No I get what franky means I meant the same Frankenstein is a reference to mixed breeding fish without any idea of what's coming as a result.
When I said at least it wouldn't be a Frankenstein I meant your fish would be pure firemouth.
Then you posted a picture of a fish and said what's wrong with Frankenstein?
Which made me assume the posted picture was a hybrid.
I m agreeing with you! Lol

Every day there's a thread started about what is my fish? what did I buy? Then there's 100 guesses and in the end it's always a hybrid of this or that but nobody knows for sure.
If someone buying is okay with that then there's not a problem but to many people don't understand or don't care and sell fish without any idea of what they have and the buyer doesn't know what their getting.
If the trend continues long enough we all end up with a bunch of mutts and who knows what you will get if they spawn.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

You could argue that line breeding changes a natural form forever which creates more demand for wild fish so the original form can be restored.
Don't you have some F1 stalsbergi?
Seams a little contradictionary.
Not trying to be argumentative but you were having a go at the purists who's philosophy really means less wild caught fish as lines aren't weakened or tampered with.

 

[BIG-G]

Although I get what your saying I don't completely agree. If you take the best looking individuals from a species and breed them with others from the same species that have the same traits it's still a pure species.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

Not if they are from different catch locations.
They can also be classified as regional hybrids.
Everything that makes each location unique will be lost forever.

 

[BIG-G]

Not if they are from different catch locations.
They can also be classified as regional hybrids.
Everything that makes each location unique will be lost forever.

Agreed, but that has not been specified. I believe at that point it's splitting hairs.
If there is a huge difference in outward appearances in different catch locations then I assume the breeder will at least start with the location that exhibits the traits they are after, ie, red color for this discussion.
I wouldnt think we would take one from a location with less color and start there if we are attempting to breed for more color.

 

[Cyberman]

You could argue that line breeding changes a natural form forever which creates more demand for wild fish so the original form can be restored.
Don't you have some F1 stalsbergi?
Seams a little contradictionary.
Not trying to be argumentative but you were having a go at the purists who's philosophy really means less wild caught fish as lines aren't weakened or tampered with.

The point there about the Stals is they're a rare fish so there is a point to keeping them ... reintroducing them to the hobby.

The one reason I see to reintroducing Wilder Meeks is sometimes I find weaker less viable specimens in the trade these days.

 

[RD.]

The one reason I see to reintroducing Wilder Meeks is sometimes I find weaker less viable specimens in the trade these days.

You mean like some of the line-bred/in-bred meeki that one often sees at the chain stores? The ones that are bred for MORE RED.

 

[BIG-G]

The one reason I see to reintroducing Wilder Meeks is sometimes I find weaker less viable specimens in the trade these days.

This could also be a useful argument to preserving wild populations

 

[Stanzzzz7]

I feel there are many reasons to preserve what nature provides.
To me the idea of line breeding for specific traits can only lead to harm.
Lots of fish in the hobby are becoming in danger of extinction in the wild,some already are.
Can you imagine living in a world where only long finned oscars exist.No thanks.