For anyone that asks me, I recommend a bare bottom tank because it is easier, especially for the beginner. Raising them the way I am is possible. I know of a few who have done an excellent job of it before me. It is, however, very labor intensive and if you can not or will not dedicate the time needed everyday for approximately a year, then do not try putting juvie discus in a tank with substrate and plants. They will stunt. I am trying to keep updates on the pictures so that those who have the time and dedication to raise them this way can see that it is possible. Mine have all grown from 2 1/2" to 4-4 1/2" in the 3 months that I have had them. They get fed 6 times a day, which makes alot of mess and poop and it has to be removed daily. That takes at least an hour for me to do.