loving this thread and the fish pictured in it. Keep the info rolling guys, you seem to have a great discussion going with some very informative info.
Nandopsis haitiensis bloat prevention program
- Thread starter John Rambo
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IMO treating fish that don't have bloat with meds before they become infected is a bad idea. Metronidazole not only wipes out the bacteria that causes bloat, but it also destroys all the good bacteria in the intestinal tract.
The best way to fight off bloat would be a high quality food IMO. Most spirulina "enriched" foods are garbage anyways. Hikari and 99% of others use fillers and dyes to change the color of the food to make it look "enriched". Its a load of garbage. NLS is the best readily available food on the market, and I believe it has been proven. I myself am going to test this out.
What I'm going to do is order 2 Haits, put both in their own tanks, with the same heat, around 82F, same filter, 35% WC's 2 times a week. The only manipulated variable is going to be the food. I'm going to put NLS 2mm against Hikari Cichlid Excel. I'm going to see if either food can keep fish alive!
The best way to fight off bloat would be a high quality food IMO. Most spirulina "enriched" foods are garbage anyways. Hikari and 99% of others use fillers and dyes to change the color of the food to make it look "enriched". Its a load of garbage. NLS is the best readily available food on the market, and I believe it has been proven. I myself am going to test this out.
What I'm going to do is order 2 Haits, put both in their own tanks, with the same heat, around 82F, same filter, 35% WC's 2 times a week. The only manipulated variable is going to be the food. I'm going to put NLS 2mm against Hikari Cichlid Excel. I'm going to see if either food can keep fish alive!
Like some members already mentioned, environmental stress is the biggest reason for bloat.
What I did:
1) Food - Hikari Excel & Hikari Bio Gold Plus
2) Water Change - 25 % twice a week
3) High oxygen level - I grew mine out in a 150 g tank by itself with two XP3's and two HOB filters.
4) Water temperature - 76" - 80". Most of the time 78 degrees
5) The only tankmate was a female and it was introduced when the male was already 12".
What I did:
1) Food - Hikari Excel & Hikari Bio Gold Plus
2) Water Change - 25 % twice a week
3) High oxygen level - I grew mine out in a 150 g tank by itself with two XP3's and two HOB filters.
4) Water temperature - 76" - 80". Most of the time 78 degrees
5) The only tankmate was a female and it was introduced when the male was already 12".
big dovii;3477566; said:
Can't wait to see how it pans out! I have to wonder if you will favor the NLS fish though, since you seem to feel strongly about the food
Kidding of course - it will be very interesting to me. When I kept lots of Tropheus the NLS vs. all other foods battle was a major one, I think it still is with the hard core guys. Sorry for the de-rail - back to the battle of the "bloat" 
big dovii;3477566; said:
Much too small of a sample size to infer anything meaningful from this. Good thought though.
This might be a question of ignorance but I've been told that wild caught odos are some of the hardest/rarest to get. Even Grey Wyman from wetspot indicated he's hasn't seen F0 odos in the last 20 years. Personally I've never seen F0 odos for sale or even pictures of some (any MFKers own some?). So my question is does anybody know the reason behind this?...I'm sure only few people can answer this ? I'm wondering if it's more the location that makes it hard for them to retrieve or does bloat have everything to do it or could it be a totally different reason. I guess this has always been a question of mine which I guess I haven't seen an answer yet for even on MFK!
Oh yea...not trying to hijack your thread Kenneth. I just wanted to see if there was a correlation w/ bloat.
Oh yea...not trying to hijack your thread Kenneth. I just wanted to see if there was a correlation w/ bloat.
Modest_Man;3478348; said:
All I'm doing is simply putting NLS' challenge to the test and seeing if their fish don't get bloat.
I love Hikari too, I feed all my fish massivore. I just want to see if this is really "true".
volcomstone;3478626; said:
no worries B. I was told by a vendor that there just are no collecting trips that way. Another avid odoe keeper said to question those "f1" nasties. With only a very few number of breeding wild nasties, many f1 are f1000's
Modest_Man;3478348; said:
I agree, with only one of each your results would be questionable. lots of possible coincidence.
