Need help with water chem!

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well the thing is i never dechlorinate my water, up until now it has never been a problem.

By "never been a problem" do you mean simply that your fish are still alive, or have you actually checked their gill tissue for signs of damage from chlorine/chloramines?

Why hasn't it happened before? At a guess, I would say you have been lucky in the past. Unless you're testing the water for chlorine every water change you're playing russian roulette with your fish, it may work most of the time, but if something happens and the water treatment plant chucks in extra chlorine/chloramine for some reason you're going to be in trouble.


I think Strollo is right on the money, your low pH is probably what has saved your fish in this case. If it were me, I'd go down to the LFS and buy a big bottle of Seachem Prime (or Safe), and some sort of "bottled bacteria" type product to help re-establish your filter. Drain 50% of the water from your tank, double-dose with Prime for the full volume of the tank, refill and add the bacteria product. Don't feed anything for a few days at least, keep an eye on the parameters and change more water (and use Prime!) if the ammonia starts to creep up again. Big fish like yours will be fine without food for at least a week, so keep the feeding to a minimum until the filters have re-established.
 
By "never been a problem" do you mean simply that your fish are still alive, or have you actually checked their gill tissue for signs of damage from chlorine/chloramines?

Why hasn't it happened before? At a guess, I would say you have been lucky in the past. Unless you're testing the water for chlorine every water change you're playing russian roulette with your fish, it may work most of the time, but if something happens and the water treatment plant chucks in extra chlorine/chloramine for some reason you're going to be in trouble.


I think Strollo is right on the money, your low pH is probably what has saved your fish in this case. If it were me, I'd go down to the LFS and buy a big bottle of Seachem Prime (or Safe), and some sort of "bottled bacteria" type product to help re-establish your filter. Drain 50% of the water from your tank, double-dose with Prime for the full volume of the tank, refill and add the bacteria product. Don't feed anything for a few days at least, keep an eye on the parameters and change more water (and use Prime!) if the ammonia starts to creep up again. Big fish like yours will be fine without food for at least a week, so keep the feeding to a minimum until the filters have re-established.

Ya ill be doing that asap, and when i say "has never been a problem" i mean that the fish are fine, all the gills seem to have not been damaged (at least from whats visible), and yes normally i do test my water and my ammonia has never been higher than 2ppm(which meant time to change the water)

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No you got it a bit wrong there sorry, ammonia on a fully cycled tank should be 0ppm. Any reading other than that and you have a problem; either your filtation is not good enough or your tank is not fully cycled. I'm really sure how good the HOB filter are that you have never really used them.

From the sound of it your tank has never cycled because ever time you do a water change you are kill off the BB in your tank with chlorine. Try to find a water treatment supplement, i use prime as it can be used on large volumes of water. Then i would treat your tank to get ride of any chlorine/chloride in your tank, if you use prime this will also lock the ammoina and give your fish a fighting chance.

Its going to tank time for your tankto cycle but the fact that you have some Nitrites mean you have some BB. Large water changes is what you need to do until your ammonia comes down.
 
No you got it a bit wrong there sorry, ammonia on a fully cycled tank should be 0ppm. Any reading other than that and you have a problem; either your filtation is not good enough or your tank is not fully cycled. I'm really sure how good the HOB filter are that you have never really used them.

From the sound of it your tank has never cycled because ever time you do a water change you are kill off the BB in your tank with chlorine. Try to find a water treatment supplement, i use prime as it can be used on large volumes of water. Then i would treat your tank to get ride of any chlorine/chloride in your tank, if you use prime this will also lock the ammoina and give your fish a fighting chance.

Its going to tank time for your tankto cycle but the fact that you have some Nitrites mean you have some BB. Large water changes is what you need to do until your ammonia comes down.
So basically the water changes with reg water has always been my prob? Also i forgot to mention this because my mom only told me yesterday, i was on vacation less than a month ago in Cuba for a week. Apparently while i was gone the power went out for 2 days, is it possible this killed my BB? Cuz i havnt run a test till last night so i wouldnt have known.


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Im sorry if this seems back and forth. Im just worried and feel dumb at the same time. Imagine being told youve been keeping your fish wrong for an entire year :(

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Also this may sound like something dumb to ask but i recently started re using zeo carb in my 110 again. Would this be affecting anything?

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well the thing is i never dechlorinate my water, up until now it has never been a problem. I've been told by some LFS i go to that unless i do like a huge water change it shouldnt hurt the BB in my filters. My filters wernt off ever, unless is it possible that because they are HOBs and when i did the 40% change the water wasnt going through the filter for about 10m, would this be the problem?

but what dusnt make sense is that the nitrites and nitrates are low. Shouldnt one or both be high in a case like this?

This is your issue. You probably killed off your BB. Things may seem fine, however ammonia can still cause stress and damamge to your fish, even if its not someting thats is noticable. I would add in some seachem stability and dechlorinate your water for now on - I would use seachem prime to do that. Keep doing the water changes until the ammonia comes down. I had a bb die off in my tank a few times (mine was due to large filter cleanings) and adding stability/using prime along with water changes did the trick for me.


I doubt you using zeo carb would have done anything.

I am not sure why an LFS would tell you that, but don't listen to them. Make sure you always dechlorinate for now on and keep an eye on your water chems. Ideally you always want your readings at 0ppm. Ammonia and Nitrite should never be above 0. Nitrates on the other hand will start to climb up from 0 which is your indicator that you need to do a water change. If nitrates are above 0 its ok, just make sure its at a safe level and do a water change as necessary.
 
I would also do some research/googling/ forum digging.... and learn as much as you can about the Nitrogen Cycle. relying on your lfs or anyone else is going to lead to issues.. always question the info your being given. a little bit of pre-emptive digging/curiosity could have potentially saved you from this. This is also not going to be a quick fix.. it will take weeks or months potentially to get your tank sorted out. You've been imo given great advise so I don't have much more to add here. Just keep learning, and don't be afraid to "learn to much" since you will never learn it all none of us have/do. =) ... except maybe oddball... the man has yet to be stumped in all the threads I've read lol.
 
Thanks for all the great help guys! The ammonia has gone down since yesterday, tested at 1ppm. Not perfect but a deffinate improvemnt

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