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Ok I am in the process of swapping my 150 gallon for somethiing 75-100 gallons just because tank too big for what I plan to do and do not need the size anymore. But I know very little about saltwater setups...I have donw alot of looking and reading online and there are soo many different things out there that I have ready and i think I jmaybe more confused now then when I first started...I will setting up a tank within a week or two and plan to have a community tank with fish mostly maybe some live rock nothing too serious for my first go round. I just really do not know where to start??? any advice tips stay away from products whatever please let me know.... I do expect haters to chime in and tell me to search and believe me ive been on the forums long enough to know to start there I am just getting frusterated and who better to ask than the pros...
Glenn
 
Fish only salt is not much different than fresh water cost wise (well minus the fish lol).

You will need a good substrate - aragonite sand (live if you can afford it - it will cut your cycle time to next to nothing).

Salt mix and a hydrometer and your set. You can filter fish only salt with canister filters filled with mech and bio (like you ran with fresh). Nitrates do not have to be perfect with fish only depending on your stock (most the salt water fish I have owned are pretty hardy). Lights, heaters etc are the same.

Live rock gets a little more complex because the rock itself becomes your bio filtration. And this is what runs fresh water people off - because it's a totally different concept, heck I am still trying to figure it out...hehe. You will need blue lights (mixed with the white lights you ran on your freshwater) and good water movement (I use directional powerheads for this). Then also to make things easier you might want to invest in a good protein skimmer - which is the GOD of mech filtration :D.

I ran big fresh for 2 years. I am enjoying salt 10x more. Hope to someday have myself a nice reef tank.

There seems to be a lot more to tinker/hobby with salt. I am very happy I switched over. It's a hobby for me again versus something I am just maintaining.
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I like how it seems once set up easier to maintain I dont have to worry about fish getting as big I can have more of them... its just overall smarter for me anywaybe. I plan on tangs and clowns maybe some others sprinkled in but the live rock is something I dont understand...but I am sue Ill get the hang of it. Now the math is roughly 1 lb per us gallone on sand correct? Now that would all be live sand to help cycle correct.
 
Yes 1lb rock and sand is a good rule of thumb.

You can go 1/2 live, 1/2 dead with the sand and rock. Long as the sand is aragonite.

So for example on a 75 gallon tank you could start with 40lbs of live sand, and 30lbs of aragonite. This will cost you roughly 90+- dollars.

Then 40lbs of dead rock (lime based), and 30 pounds of live. This will vary in cost depending on where you get the rock from. Form a nice wall with the rock, put the dead rock on the bottom of the wall and the nicest pieces of your live up top maybe. With proper lighting, water movement and stable params, over time the dead rock will turn into live and it will all be the same. :D

I am about to start growing some rock in a 135 I just set up. I am going to bioball a sump to handle the fish until the rock can handle the bio colonies. You could do the same with a canister from your freshwater setup perhaps.

You could bring the fish in anytime. Tangs are great (they will eat the algae off your rocks) and clowns are about as hardy as you can get. Clowns and triggers are very hardy fish in my experience. Oh and puffers. You cannot kill a puffer with conventional weapons...lol
 
The quantity of sand depends on your tank's footprint and how deep of a sandbed you'd like, but assuming it's a standard 72"x18" 150g, I'd add 80lbs of dry sand and 40lbs of live on top. I'd go with oolite, if possible, since I love bamboo sharks and they do best on soft substrate.


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Yeah I would keep the 150 also if your looking to keep tangs. They need long open spaces to dart back and fourth. It's their nature.
 
having a tough time finding a home for the larger tank in the house thats why the want to swap for smaller...
 
ok lets say I keep the 150 and set it up... what would I need for minimal startup and then can add to it down the rd? And that should be ok on a my regular flooring correct? the house is only 6 years old I wouldnt think it would have issues with stability???
Glenn
 
I wouldn't go with a ton of sand. You really only need maybe 0.5" to 1" of sand if you don't plan on keeping burrowing fishes; anything deeper just makes cleaning a pain even if you have invertebrates that stir the sand a bit. Live sand really isn't necessary, so save some money and use plain aragonite sand; the sand will become live during the cycling process. The bulk of your beneficial bacteria, e.g. biological filtration, is in your live rock, so go for some nice porous dry rock and seed it with a little bit of live rock; websites such as BRS and Reef Cleaners have some really nice dry rock at great prices. With nice porous dry rock, you only need maybe one pound per gallon whereas you'll need much more with the denser live rock that most LFS's and chain stores sell plus you'll be paying for just the rock rather than the inevitable water weight with already live rock. Sumps are where it's at for filtration, help keep the system more stable with the added water volume, and allow you to hide most of your equipment from view; canister filters should be avoided unless you're very diligent about cleaning them thoroughly and often.

If you're looking for low maintenance, then you want to keep your stock pretty low; recommended stocking levels for saltwater are far below those of freshwater. I would keep the 150 gallon if you want to have a tang; they need pretty large aquariums (typically 100+ gallons) because of how active they are. Tangs also are known to be aggressive towards other tangs, so it's best to limit yourself to one per aquarium. I've never found clowns to be hardy in my experience considering that I've been through five of them; of course then, they were all purchased from PetCo, so that could have been part of the problem. Triggers are pretty cool although aggression and nipping can be an issue at times with some species, but they work out well in most cases. Damsels are nice for colorful starter fishes, but they can also be aggressive; they're pretty hardy, though, so they work great for test fishes. I personally favor eels, and you could easily do a smaller eel or two in the aquariums that you're looking at; my snowflake eel is always poking his head out of the rocks plus he's fun to feed and doesn't bother any of the other fishes and invertebrates. Also, be sure to order a bunch of dwarf blue leg hermit crabs and snails for your clean-up crew; they really go a long way for keeping your aquarium nice and clean.
 
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