I really appreciate all the info, its helping my decisions out a lot, like i said i want to provide the best home for these guys i can, so if i were to go in the neighborhood of 12-14 x 6-7, doing a depth of 3ft i would be right on spot for some decent sized sharks and rays, have to measure my spot for sure, it a fairly large area, has a pingpong table in there now, with 4-5 ft on each end.