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hey im going to be starting a 125-150 gallon freshwater tank. what type of setup will work best; such as substrate, lighting, filtering.

to be honest...im used to small tanks...so i do not know much about bigger ones and what works best.

please help me get started and input will be appreciated. thanks
 
For filtration, the rule is the more the better. as much turnover as possible in other words. the type of filter is up to you, the best you can go for is large wet/dry, or a few large canister filters. you could also go for some HOB powerfilters aswell- i ussally use a couple for a bit of water stirredge rather than for filtration. good filters from my experince are- fluval Fx-5's- very large powerful workhorse canister filters, eheim canisters- there all good, aquaclear power filters.

on the topic of substrate and lighting- that's really up to you- the substrate in FW tanks is more for looks than anything, i have used large river rock stones, black sand, or pebbles in my tanks. with lighting- unless your doing a seriously planted aquarium, than any basic florescent tube light will do imo, they create plenty of light.

also- what kinds of fish are you looking into getting? the more fish or larger the fish- the more bioload put into the aquarium, and that may change what you want to use for filtration.
 
im going to have some larger fish...i have a couple oscars right now...id like to have around 8 big fish in the tank when its all said and done...
what is a good site to check out these "wet/dry systems" and or other filtration stuff

and i was thinking about using play sand...but apperantly some people dont like it because of sand getting in the filters

thanks for your help XR
 
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For filtration, the rule is the more the better. as much turnover as possible in other words. the type of filter is up to you, the best you can go for is large wet/dry, or a few large canister filters. you could also go for some HOB powerfilters aswell- i ussally use a couple for a bit of water stirredge rather than for filtration. good filters from my experince are- fluval Fx-5's- very large powerful workhorse canister filters, eheim canisters- there all good, aquaclear power filters.

on the topic of substrate and lighting- that's really up to you- the substrate in FW tanks is more for looks than anything, i have used large river rock stones, black sand, or pebbles in my tanks. with lighting- unless your doing a seriously planted aquarium, than any basic florescent tube light will do imo, they create plenty of light.

also- what kinds of fish are you looking into getting? the more fish or larger the fish- the more bioload put into the aquarium, and that may change what you want to use for filtration.
More turnover isn't what you want with filtration. Turnover will depend on species. The amount of bio-media is most important, as this will be where the beneficial bacteria is housed.
 
levick;1259868;1259868 said:
hey im going to be starting a 125-150 gallon freshwater tank. what type of setup will work best; such as substrate, lighting, filtering.

to be honest...im used to small tanks...so i do not know much about bigger ones and what works best.

please help me get started and input will be appreciated. thanks
If you are doing a fish only tank, the substrate can be anything. The lighting again can be anything, but brighter lights help show off your fish. As far as filtration goes, that will depend on the species you are going to be keeping. I usually aim for 5-10x turnover per hour, but some species are fine with more, and some need less. Higher turnover does not mean that your tank will convert ammonia faster. Personally I like to run a big canister for biological filtration. I prefer eheims, and would suggest 2217, 2260, 2262, 2080, 2078 or dual 2028s for the tank. For mechanical filtration, I run AquaClear 110 HOB filters and Hyrdo V sponges.
 
125-150g tanks don't require any certain type of filtration, they simply require bigger filtration than small tanks.

On our 125g with our native fish we run 4 HOB filters and a rena xp3 canister filter (not the most efficient or space saving way, but it's what we got cheap at the time). Never any ammonia or nitrite, fairly easy to maintain, works great.

One our 125g with turtles, which are HUGE waste producers, we run 3 rena xp3 canister filters and they work great. No ammonia, no nitrite, easier to maintain (but only because my 125g native tank has a wooden canopy and HOB are hard to get to on it). I don't even have much biomedia in these right now and they're keeping up just fine.

So either canister filters or hang on backs will work just fine for converting waste, even in a heavily stocked tank.
A lot of people use wet/dry sumps and they work good too, but they take a bit of research since you can have some issues (like flooding your floor) if they're set up wrong, especially if you don't have a drilled tank and use a hang on back overflow box. The advantage though is that the water level in your tank is always the same and your filtration is hidden under your tank, plus you can put quite a bit of biological media and they also add more water volume.

If you're looking for something nice looking and fairly hidden I say go with either a canister filter (or several), or a sump. If you're looking for something with plenty of flow rate (this will be determined by the species you keep or just plain preference) where you can easily change or clean the cartridges then HOB filters might be a good option.

Rena xp3 and cascades are pretty good canister filters for cheap but no one of these filters will handle a 125g+ tank, therefore you'd have to buy at least a couple. Emperor 400's are good hang on back filters for such a tank, but again, you'd have to buy at least 2 and perhaps more depending on the species and amount of fish you will be keeping.
Fluval fx5 is a good filter, reasonably priced, and just one will probably handle your tank, depending on your stock of course.

As WildFya mentioned, eheims are good canister filters also.

Even plain old sponge filters will work for such a tank biologically, though many people don't go that route unless they're breeding or have fish that require very slow moving water.

Substrate will depend largely on the species you keep and your own preference. Some species are happier on certain substrates. You mentioned you have oscars. Cichlids LOVE sand but in many instances will spit it directly into your filter intakes, so keep that in mind. That can destroy impellers. This won't be a problem if you run a wet/dry sump because you won't have an intake.
I keep several barebottom tanks simply for ease of maintanence, so that's also an option, but many people hate the way that looks. IMO, sand is easier to maintain than gravel if you go with substrate.
Get a fairly large grain sand with very even particles, this way it's much less likely to cloud your tank. Pool filter sand works great, especiallythe higher grade quartz.
 
ok well im pretty much decided ill probably use some type of sand...lighting doesnt matter unless i have plants... and u guys have given me a lot of info on filters...but what is the difference between a canister...compared to a hang of the back...(like i am used to) and or even the wet/dry....the sump sounds cool...but also sounds like a lot of work...

if i were to get a sump wet/dry....is there info on how to make it...or are there kits you can buy...im def leaning towards that it sounds like the right way to do it...if i am spending money i might as well get something hidden....

thanks guys
 
There are some good post on W/D sump in the DIY section. Do a search and you will find everything you need. Good luck.

I run a sump and they are great. Well worth the effort.
 
For our big tank we are going to use colorquartz for sand, as you can get colors, (we want black sand) for a lot cheaper than moon sand (or something similar). You can have a place the builds/repairs pools special order it for you, in my area, it runs about $20/50lb bag and 2-3 bags should be plenty for you. The T grade is supposed to not be as fine as sand (ie it won't get into your intakes, but still has a sand look) but they also have an S grade that is very fine. Personally with any kind of cichlid I would use some sort of sand because it is easier to maintain, and especially with big cichlids, or any big fish, you're going to want it to be as easy to keep clean as possibly because they are so messy. Here is some more info on the colorquartz:

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/ColorQuartz/HomePage/Products/Crystals/

As far as filtration, the bigger the sump the better IMO, because then you'll have room for more media. A lot of times you can find a used 55 on craigslist for cheap, I have gotten a used 55 from freecycle.org for free though, so you might want to look into that, I think a 55 gallon would be sufficient.

As far as stocking goes, I don't know if you'd be able to house EIGHT big fish in a 125, that seems overstocked even by my standards and I overstock everything. I would say 2 oscars if those are the fish you like to keep would be max, because you are supposed to keep even numbers, and 4 would be too many IMO. I don't know what other kind of cichlids you like, but in a 125 I could maybe see 2 oscars, and 2 medium cichlids, such as jack dempseys. But unless you pick a type of fish I don't see hoe you could get 8 of them in there. Not to mention, with cichlids, they all need their own territory of they will start to bicker and someone will end up dead, because that isn't a whole lot of space when you split it up 8 ways.

I would also suggest one of these:

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_python.php

as for tankmate suggestions/possiblities to go with you oscars, as stated abovem you could maybe do a jack dempsey or two, or some convicts, some loaches (make sure they are bigger than the oscars because they grow slow, they need to be in a group of at least 3, 5 would be better, and have hiding places for them), any type of bichir would be an interesting tankmate (also make sure it is bigger/same size as your oscars). Also a school of silver dollars would be an interesting addition. You could add a synodontis catfish to clean up uneaten food (you will still have to feed it, it just help keep the substrate a bit cleaner since the oscars are messy eaters). You could also have a smaller pleco in there, but personally I would not get a common pleco or anything that gets to be that large...

If it were my tank and I already had the 2 oscars, and wanted to pack it as full as I could get it, I would get a bichir (p. senegal is the most commonly found):
http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/poly-sen.htm
3-4 Silver dollars:
http://www.fishlore.com/Profiles-SilverDollar.htm
a synodontis catfish:
http://planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=89

that isn't 8 big fish, but it's 8 fish, and it's still overstocked, which means you would have to do water changes more often and have a larger bio-capacity in whatever filtration you choose, I would still think a 55 gallon tank/container would be enough for a sump if you had LOTS of bio in it. Just remember that maximum stocking = maximum tank and filter maintenance....
 
yea i hear you...ok well lets assume just two oscars right now...im decided on some sort of sand as substrate...

im thinking ill have to build my own wet/dry sump

how many heaters do u think i will need?? im guessing two or three
 
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