Need to break off live my Payaras NOW!

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Have 2 juv Armatus for up 3 months now and still no luck.
I tried anything for these cases, up to 2 weeks without live feeding, fishing line in the flow, live earthworms, still no luck.
I can't believe it, i made it with my GATF within a month and i can't with these guys!
I would love some good suggestions cause they will have some tankmates soon and move in a bigger tank but the live feeding would be very difficult with other fish.
 
a few things, but i am by no means an expert..... get into a routine, i always turn my bubbly powerhead off when i feed, and the fish have realized what it means, cause they go nuts when i turn it off, and i only turn it off so i can watch them eat, and it become the pre-feeding ritual ... always feed at the same time, and from the same place... if you drop the silversides, or shrimp or pellets in from the top, then start dropping the live goldfish in from the top 1 at a time, so they realize whatever drops into the tank from there is food, then they'll be more likely to try the nonlive food ... also tankmates that eat non live can help, so if the armatus is watching others eat the pellets he may get the hint.... mimicking a live bait via fishing line is a good aid as well as trying a variety of different dead foods, once he eats 1 he's hooked then you can hopefully feed him any dead food and he'll go for it.... lastly predators can go a long time without eating generally, and especially when their larger, so maybe you havent starved quite long enough.... i'm not suggesting starve him to the point of death, just watch the fish as the days go by, if he looks stressed, stop starving and feed him his normal foood, then try again.... i would say 2 weeks is a good starvation time before it starts getting more dangerous especially with small fish.... also only try the new food once every 3 days... so try it, if he refuses wait 3 days to try again, you may get an instinctive strike cause the fish is ancy to eat and will hit what falls in automatically not even looking at what it is as long as the fish has realized whatever falls in the tank is food.... and remember if he mouths the new food, your 95% of the way there, he will most likely evetually swallow it in the next few attempts... sorry that was long as hell, my fingers hurt! stupid tiny cell phone keyboards
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Try silversides. You can get decent ones at Petco. Wiggle it in front of their face outside the tank and when you drop it in, make sure it falls slowly and in front of them. When mine were first breaking off, if it didn't fall in front of their face, they wouldn't touch it. And they didn't pick it up off the floor either - so if it hits the floor, chances are slim. Once they get used to silversides, then try swapping out with thin slices of fish fillet (to mimic a silverside), and they will go after it. I don't have armatus, but I have 2 payaras (reg/redtail), and I broke them off this way. The scomb still never eats off the floor, but will attack any slender food object that falls in his path. The other will eat off the floor and will also eat worms. I don't feed my predators pellets, so can't give any advice on that one. I think the key is, to try to mimic the look of a real (small) fish (thinly sliced foods). I notice that they like to strike hard, and they aim for the middle, then toss it up and grab it at the end, then suck it down... if it's not a thin slender object, then it makes it a bit challenging for an unfamiliar fish. At least that's my take - good luck.
 
This is something different bro, had helped me in the past too but with fish tha already were eating frozen and for those i wanted to start on pellets.
My payaras are eating nothing but live and i don't want to make them eat pellets, only frozen so they can have tankmates.

a few things, but i am by no means an expert..... get into a routine, i always turn my bubbly powerhead off when i feed, and the fish have realized what it means, cause they go nuts when i turn it off, and i only turn it off so i can watch them eat, and it become the pre-feeding ritual ... always feed at the same time, and from the same place... if you drop the silversides, or shrimp or pellets in from the top, then start dropping the live goldfish in from the top 1 at a time, so they realize whatever drops into the tank from there is food, then they'll be more likely to try the nonlive food ... also tankmates that eat non live can help, so if the armatus is watching others eat the pellets he may get the hint.... mimicking a live bait via fishing line is a good aid as well as trying a variety of different dead foods, once he eats 1 he's hooked then you can hopefully feed him any dead food and he'll go for it.... lastly predators can go a long time without eating generally, and especially when their larger, so maybe you havent starved quite long enough.... i'm not suggesting starve him to the point of death, just watch the fish as the days go by, if he looks stressed, stop starving and feed him his normal foood, then try again.... i would say 2 weeks is a good starvation time before it starts getting more dangerous especially with small fish.... also only try the new food once every 3 days... so try it, if he refuses wait 3 days to try again, you may get an instinctive strike cause the fish is ancy to eat and will hit what falls in automatically not even looking at what it is as long as the fish has realized whatever falls in the tank is food.... and remember if he mouths the new food, your 95% of the way there, he will most likely evetually swallow it in the next few attempts... sorry that was long as hell, my fingers hurt! stupid tiny cell phone keyboards
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Some good advices, i'll try some from you suggestions for sure, thanks mate.
Try silversides. You can get decent ones at Petco. Wiggle it in front of their face outside the tank and when you drop it in, make sure it falls slowly and in front of them. When mine were first breaking off, if it didn't fall in front of their face, they wouldn't touch it. And they didn't pick it up off the floor either - so if it hits the floor, chances are slim. Once they get used to silversides, then try swapping out with thin slices of fish fillet (to mimic a silverside), and they will go after it. I don't have armatus, but I have 2 payaras (reg/redtail), and I broke them off this way. The scomb still never eats off the floor, but will attack any slender food object that falls in his path. The other will eat off the floor and will also eat worms. I don't feed my predators pellets, so can't give any advice on that one. I think the key is, to try to mimic the look of a real (small) fish (thinly sliced foods). I notice that they like to strike hard, and they aim for the middle, then toss it up and grab it at the end, then suck it down... if it's not a thin slender object, then it makes it a bit challenging for an unfamiliar fish. At least that's my take - good luck.
I tried silversides, mysis, shrimp, and many other types of frozen, i keep up the effort with small frozen fish in a fishing line through the filter flow.

Those are my guys:

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With the smaller one things are a little better, at least he tries if he is hungry, he chows the food and then he spits it without swallows anything, even with the live earthworms.
The bigger the most stubborn, he doesn't even move if something not pass in front of him to see if it's live...:irked:

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I don't think you've let them starve long enough.

This.

For a specialized piscivore like a payara, you have to starve them until they are desperate. It took three weeks of no food for my gatf to break and almost six weeks for my scomb. How long has their fasting been? If its only been a couple of days, they can handle that with no stress. In the wild these fish can go quite a while without eating. You have to literally starve them to get them to take dead food.
 
view my started threads lol
 
another thing i've realized is a tank change, or even a big decor change in the same tank can often stimulate the fish to eat a different food... they get in a routine and become comfortable with what they are used to, so changing can put the fish off kilter and stimulate them to try new food.... i starved my Goliaths for a month in my 220 gallon, that they were in for over a year, and no success with getting them on pellets.... i moved them into my new larger set up 5 days ago, and 1 broke down and ate like 5 pellets today, so maybe this is an avenue to explore

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