need to vent on mike vick a bit..

[bigspizz]

no way i'm reading all that^^^^ sorry. Not for mike vick. I have an ass to scratch....

 

[Miguel]

no way i'm reading all that^^^^ sorry. Not for mike vick. I have an ass to scratch....

I felt exactly the same thing..a pity though, because that Miles guy writes very well...but a nose that needs picking has priority

stupid joke! I am sooo stupid this morning, sorry guys

 

[cichlaguapote]

It is being said that this is a troubling day for the National Football League. It is a much sadder day and time for America.

I read much of that. And while very well written.. yeah I would rather him harmed a human.. Neither is better in my eyes but a woman(or a man for that matter) can tell the story, and woman we all already know can't be thrown away or used just for our enjoyment and left without a care. Harming a human carrys a much higher/swifter sentence and you know what they do to rapists in jail.

Some people take all animals and even what seems king of pets in america.. dogs.. for granted. And think just because the dog doesn't talk/requires someone to feed it, give it shelter/can't earn an income that it is less of an importance on this earth than a human being. At least a human can see vick for the ******* he is and because of abilitys over a dog can find shelter/food elsewhere if the person is treating them wrong.

 

[cichlaguapote]

Because of people like him the laws are getting a lot tougher on pitt bull owners here in Louisiana. Now in the city of baton rouge,we have to have an insurance policy on our dogs in case they attack someones dog or someone else and they are fixing to have to have a muzzle on them when they are out in public. At least they haven't put a stop to them being allowed in the dog park.

And it's a shame because for the longest time I wanted a pit.. but no matter where you go most of the time you can't own one.. and adopting one out of a shelter is harder than taking the sat's.. Sucks that such a dog who has been mistreated and used for personal enjoyment/gain by the worst members of our society has had such a stigma placed around it.

 

[Miles]

I am not trying to condone fighting animals in any way.. (Although it is Ironic that many MFK members enjoy watching territory disputes over large cichlids..)


But I do have to ask... Have any of you read the 81 page indictment? I have..

Do any of you know who Parnel Peace, Quanis Philips, or Tony Taylor are? Devon Boddie?

Do you know who CW#1, CW#2, CW#3, and CW#4 are? They are all incarcerated at this time, for fighting dogs.

I am upset with the media, as they have taken a number of the allegations out of the indictment, and used them in a context to most poorly portray Mike Vick.

"Dousing dogs to be electrocuted to death, body-slamming them, hanging, drowning, and shooting them as ways of Execution." This is one of the many statements I see shouted from the treetops all around the world right now. All of these barbaric acts were commited by the 3 others in the indictment, not Vick.

I am not trying to defend him, as what he has done is wrong IF he is found guilty. However, It upsets me that the media is pulling information out of context and using it to ruin him in the court of public opinion. Vick was not named in the indictment nearly as much as the other 3, however the general public is completely oblivious of anyone other than Vick.

So for those who 'dont wish to take the time to read that article'.. Because it is about Vick.. and its 'not worth the effort.' You are pretty much saying that you do not care to understand the true problematic situations with America and society, and just wish to be a media sheep in which you will believe whatever mental imagery is plastered into your brain from that morning's telecast. Believe what you are forced to believe. Do not use self promoting thought. Life is too hard that way.

Did you know that in the first 48 hours of the Vick indictment, the Human Society received more phone calls in regards to helping 'Fight the Battle Against Michael Vick', than they did for saving animals after Hurricane Katrina? That is sad.

Cichlidguapote, and for you to say you'd rather him harm a human because they could then tell a story. What if that human no longer exists? Then which one is worse? An injured dog reveals many telling stories, although only 1 out of the 55 pitbulls found on Vicks (co-owned) property showed injury or scarring. The same female brown pit (breeding stock) that has been shown all over the media. According to the indictment, other injured animals were 'put down', majority of them with a .22, not by barbaric means. Is this much different than when a sporting animal, such as a racing horse or grey hound, is put down after they fail to compete? It makes me wonder.

and before I get flamed, for trying to 'defend Vick'.. it further proves that you did not read any of my statements, comprehend the notion behind them, and you could possibly be more ignorant than the man in question.

and please, don't try to tell me my judgement is twisted.. I am a manager of a PetStore, I own 2 pits.. One is ironically named Vick.


Thanks for listening..

 

[cichlaguapote]

However, It upsets me that the media is pulling information out of context and using it to ruin him in the court of public opinion. Vick was not named in the indictment nearly as much as the other 3, however the general public is completely oblivious of anyone other than Vick.

I will agree there. I don't know if this was your main point before and I missed it. But mainstream media is very biased and has a history of making something out of nothing esp. with celebritys. Thus is why I have to hear about paris hilton for days on end, and I would rather them talk about illegal immigration/jobs/war the real issues that matter to this country. Which is why I don't watch mainstream news much.

Cichlidguapote, and for you to say you'd rather him harm a human because they could then tell a story. What if that human no longer exists? Then which one is worse? An injured dog reveals many telling stories, although only 1 out of the 55 pitbulls found on Vicks (co-owned) property showed injury or scarring. The same female brown pit (breeding stock) that has been shown all over the media. According to the indictment, other injured animals were 'put down', majority of them with a .22, not by barbaric means. Is this much different than when a sporting animal, such as a racing horse or grey hound, is put down after they fail to compete? It makes me wonder.

I think being put down by .22 is kinda barbaric to me. It's like you being injured and they don't want to put in the effort to save you or feel you are beyond it so they break out the .22. Call me wrong but I see it as no different. And while it may be no different from sending a horse to the glue factory I still don't approve. And I haven't read the indictment on Vick, so you're right. I guess just giving my views on a celebrity of his status being caught in a case like this IF everything that's being said is true.

You made some very good points. Most of all that people seem to jump on issues just because they're hot at the moment when they should be on them all the time if they really feel the way the do.

I was watching nancy grace last night(never watch her as I can't stand her) and she was talking about this story and then flashed the website/number for the humane society and peta for donations. Peta of all people.. who adopt dogs from shelters just to euthenize them to say they are better off dead then in a cage waiting for a home..

 

[Miles]

I was watching nancy grace last night(never watch her as I can't stand her) and she was talking about this story and then flashed the website/number for the humane society and peta for donations. Peta of all people.. who adopt dogs from shelters just to euthenize them to say they are better off dead then in a cage waiting for a home..

Nancy Grace is REALLY pissing me off. She knows absolutely nothing about the case, is taking media headlines out of context, and making outragous statements without knowing the facts.

The other night I heard her say this;

"How could you claim to know nothing about the 66 pitbulls at the home in which you live?!"

Obviously, she missed the huge part where Vick didn't live in the house.

Then she said this;

"Michael Vick would take dogs, and body slam them to death.. Kill them with his bare hands."

Obviously, she didn't read the indictment.


and Yes Cichlidguapote.. your statement about "Why do people care now, when they should of been caring all along.." Is exactly one of the points I'm trying to make.

Senator Byrd, just the other day, made a statement in which he would not mind seeing those involved in dog fighting be barbarically executed as they have done to the animals. This is a UNITED STATES SENATOR. Suggesting EXECUTION, before Vick has even been CONVICTED.

Do you see what I am saying? Someone who is representing our country, government, and judicial system... basically just implied that the judicial system does not matter, that Vick does not have the right to a fair trial, he is not innocent until proven guilty, and that he should be executed based on 'allegations'..

Another Senator, nearly a month ago, wrote a letter to the NFL commisioner saying that Vick should be suspended immediately. This was before the indictment charges were even brought forth. Another man in government power, pretty much letting us know that the justice system does not matter, and the court of public opinion weighs heavier than that of any grand jury that exists.

Innocent until proven Guilty..?

or..

Guilty until 'proven Innocent'..?

Remember the 'waterbottle fiasco'.. in which Vick was completely exonerated through a legal process. Although sports shows, talk shows, and even SNL presumed Vick guilty before the facts were let out. What is even more sickening is the amount of attention the allegations got, in comparison to the amount of attention his innocence received. I talk to people who still ask me "Is Vick going to go jail for taking the weed on the plane too?" Wow. Just Wow. Don't even get me started on the Duke Lacrosse thing..

 

[big train]

I think Vick should be held accountable for all the dogs deaths evan if he did't shoot them shock or slam them to their death himself personaly.He provided the money for this gangster gambling ring badnewz kennels was created from Vick's NFL earnings and he called up all his old hood rat freinds to run the dog fighting \gambling ring for him.I am sure many super star athlietes have attented these fights and particapated by gambling and fighting i can't prove it but it happened imo. Look at all his wealthy teamates that have pitbulls and show them off on mtv cribs they do not own these dogs for enjoying them as family pets but for sport.

 

[yonk420]

I know that there are more people involved in this dogfighting ring than just micheal vick. At least they have one person that is held accountable for what has happened to those dogs, and that is better than nothing. The only thing that pisses me off, is that if it was me or someone else without a celebrity status, we would already be doing our time and it would be alot longer than six years. I am not at all happy with the way this is going right now, but at least they are trying to do something about and if they have to start off with mike vick, then so be it. One last thing, all this bull**** about pitt bulls being the most viscous dogs that they have is not true. I cannot remember the website, but they have listed the top 5 most viscous dogs and they are as follows: Dalmation, Pitt Bull, German Shepard, Doberman Pinscher, and Rottweiler. You can take any of these dogs and train them to fight just like pitts, you can treat all the dogs with love and respect and they would be great dogs. The only difference is that there are more people that would like to see pitts die off than try to help these dogs because of all the bad things that they see about these dogs. Nobody ever shows anything good about these dogs to try and help their reputation and until that happens, there is nothing that can be done to help these dogs except to make sure that the ones that we own and love do not end up like what you see on television.

 

[Miles]

The only thing that pisses me off, is that if it was me or someone else without a celebrity status, we would already be doing our time and it would be alot longer than six years.

6 years is the maximum penalty for the allegations he is facing.

You would do no more and no less time than he will.

You wouldn't be jail time right now either, as all americans have the right to a fair trial. This is how the legal system works, and for you to say that a standard citizen would already be convicted and in jail at this time, is incorrect. Sorry.