New 2 x Leo Stingray with disappointing result......

[DB junkie]

Scratch Pete from the "example" then and let's use Crystal Clear Exotics as an example, as it seems he's moved on to better things these days.

He screwed 2 people over (me being one of them) and we both left negative feedback. BUT his buddy Mike bought rays from him and left positive feedback. Now what is his feedback score? You would think -2 +1 right? Nope. Since the positive cancels out the negative his feedback score is only -1.

SOOOO.... As long as I have more positives then negatives I'll still look good. I was thinking of screwing over several people on thousand dollar rays, BUT in order to keep my feedback in "Awesome" status I'm simply going to have to sell a few more pieces of driftwood. After this is all said and done we can check my bank account and see who the clear winner is...... ME! Cause I can screw people over on several thousand dollar rays, but erase those negative marks with a few $20 driftwood sales.

What's the story here? The flawed feedback system needs addressed. Also the amount of money involved also should play a huge part. I'd much rather buy a thousand dollar ray from someone with a + feedback for a similar ray then to buy from someone who has +47 for selling a bunch of lil penny lofer cichlids. The ability to keep feedback positive when dealing with thousand dollar fish means a lot more to us raykeepers then any other transactions. No reason someone wouldn't put in the time selling hundreds of trinkets to get the opportunity for a grand or 2 for a fancy ray, then when it goes sour fall back on the feedback system to plead innocence.

 

[Ma12cus504]

It isn't their decision to decide who is right or wrong, the feedback should be left for members to decide for themselves.

Anywho, hope your pair are doing better Ma12cus

My old pair is acting "normal" I think :/ They are not as active, but their coloring is better. The two baby motoro are active and always looking for food. I am still bummed by the bad transaction, which almost cause me to lose my other rays. BTW, I was wondering if the dying rays talked to my rays. Maybe they told my rays about the horror that they have been via, that why my rays are now depressed and scared after they passed? just a thought

btw, i assume those dead rays was born about same time and was once housed together at one point from Mike H2O. I got my old pair around April and i assume his is the same, except they are 30-40% smaller and skinner.

 

[johno27]

I agree, But the nice thing about the feedback system is that you can click on the feedback and see the thread where the sale was made. So it is a bit more work but at least you can see what was changing hands and how it went down.

But if they are removing feedback I never get the oppurtunity. For an example if party A sells party B a dead or dieing fish MFK and its Mods would claim no responsibility for the loss and state that the buy/sell section is used at your own discretion. So why would they take sides on the feedback rating? Seems like they are setting people up for failure.


Glad to hear they are doing better sorry for the derail on the thread

 

[EmilyMarie85]

Mods shouldn't be involved in that level. This is very disheartening to hear that mods are actually getting involved in feedback and making a determination on who is right or wrong in a dispute. Espicially when they were not involved.

Mods should stay out of it or remove both feedbacks to remain impartial.

Then to be told if you argue you're banned? Very immature.

I agree completely.

 

[PeteLockwood]

Johno is right, detailed feedback counts for more than overall score. Maybe you don't look at the detail when you're buying a piece of driftwood but you sure as heck do when you're paying hundreds or more for a ray. You look at feedback, you read every single thread and you google too. Sometimes you're the unlucky first.

An ex-vendor from the East Coast used to have feedback and negative threads removed so this isn't new. In the end it caught up.

 

[ray777]

Haven't you lost a few black rays now??

 

[Jalomejnr7]

i know what you mean. I was in the same situation with the same species and when it got to me the water was ammonia spiked because the vendors fed it before shipping it. So i was sent another one that was so starved that i had to take my other fish out of the tank so they wouldnt mess with it since it was so fragile. However, my ray didnt do the curl, i kept shooting forward and stopping to twitch. Luckily this one survived .