alright haha well i figured the 4" barbs that i trained my atfs with are too big so ill see if i can take them in and trade them for small ones around 2" or so. do u think bala sharks would be another option cuz i know they rnt so aggressive. or do they not make enough commotion when they eat for the cudas to notice. i just picked up a small circ pump for these guys to try to get them moving around some more so i figure itll make them that much more willing to try somethin new. ill let u know how it goes either way. im out of feeder danios so thats the end of live fish for 2 weeks or so.