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Personal argument that seemed to start off him just saying nice fish and a possible label. Seemed innocent enough. My comment was based off a long history of comments and replies made by you. Granted I have been in and out of rays, but that didn't stop me from checking in on the ray section all the time. As I knew it was just time before I was back in. It doesn't matter what went on between you two. The point is from you lists of replies you clearly feel that you are better then everyone else. Just because you've lightly stock a big tank with higher end black rays. Anyone and most that have seen your replies and threads can clearly see you feel that way. That is why you get in so many arguements and people start fights with you. Because they know how your quick to defend your holier then thou attitude. Unlike rays there is only 2 classifications of keepers. 1 is those that have them because they like them regardless of what they are. The other is out to impress and show off their status symbol as they think they are better due to the type of fish they keep. You clearly come off as the latter.

As to the classification yes it has changed. It has gotten higher with many different classifications but that is just the way it is and will be with anything. Everyone is looking for new ways to charge more money for what they have. In the end all you can do is buy your fish based on what patterns you like and go accordingly. Regardless of costs if you want it you can get it. You just have to work for it. I am far from well off but I want things so I work for them and I am happy knowing it took hard work to get what I want but I got it.

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i wasnt going to reply but i have to to this

i have always stated im not into the flash names people give rays i keep p14 not galaxy p14

i keep rays for myself not others if i wanted the top end rays i would have sold mine years ago to get the in rays bd but i have stuck with the same rays for over 6 years not buying and selling to get the best

if i was only after the best i would have got one high end bd rather than 2 lower grade rays

if someone stops talking to you on the phone and by SMS only to post in one of your threads telling people what the importer told him thats starting problems

as for under stocked tank that is the biggest load of rubbish ever

i have

a 3ft asian aro
7 x 14inch tinfoils
a 30inch tigrinus cat
a 24inch + dat pulcher
1 24" disk female p14
1 20inch female p14
1 20inch disk female leo


and just lost a 18inch disk male p14

which was replace with these 2 10inch male

hahahahaha and you think thats under stocked would you like me to pack the rays in tower block style

i just sold 1 14inch indo dat
1 12inch dat cambelli
1 14inch thin bar
1 9inch indo dat because i was thinking im over stocked

Maybe you thinks I should cram 3 adult rays multiple big dat a few archers tinfoils and a gar into a 6x3x2 I don't know what you feel comfy with
Different people what different ideas on what a good stocking level

I would rather be classed as someone who under stocks a tank than someone who over stocks it any day

thats it i am done now you and ade should get a room
 
Richard the rays look fantastic, i'm not sure whether the two new lads look tiny or the other rays just look stupidly big, both i suppose!

I'm nowhere near as qualified as others on this forum to pass judgement on what should be labelled as leo, leo X or BD pure but ultimately as mentioned above these gradings are a tool used by sellers to claim a higher value of money in a sale.

For me, when i look upon black rays i go purely on the pattern which is displays and what i like personally, no need to chase a BD label because if you like the ray you like the ray... and i like yours.

You didn't pick those new ones up from AC did you? i don't think i spotted anything like that on there?
 
Richard the rays look fantastic, i'm not sure whether the two new lads look tiny or the other rays just look stupidly big, both i suppose!

I'm nowhere near as qualified as others on this forum to pass judgement on what should be labelled as leo, leo X or BD pure but ultimately as mentioned above these gradings are a tool used by sellers to claim a higher value of money in a sale.

For me, when i look upon black rays i go purely on the pattern which is displays and what i like personally, no need to chase a BD label because if you like the ray you like the ray... and i like yours.

You didn't pick those new ones up from AC did you? i don't think i spotted anything like that on there?

The p14 male came from AC
It was sold as a big spot p14 but I never use the flash names so he a p14

The Leo came from a friend of mine it was sold as a Leo/bd or low grade bd the seller said just call it a Leo/bd to be safe

The other rays are massive as the new boys are 10" lucky I'm very under stocked to give them room

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i wasnt going to reply but i have to to this

i have always stated im not into the flash names people give rays i keep p14 not galaxy p14

i keep rays for myself not others if i wanted the top end rays i would have sold mine years ago to get the in rays bd but i have stuck with the same rays for over 6 years not buying and selling to get the best

if i was only after the best i would have got one high end bd rather than 2 lower grade rays

if someone stops talking to you on the phone and by SMS only to post in one of your threads telling people what the importer told him thats starting problems

as for under stocked tank that is the biggest load of rubbish ever

i have

a 3ft asian aro
7 x 14inch tinfoils
a 30inch tigrinus cat
a 24inch + dat pulcher
1 24" disk female p14
1 20inch female p14
1 20inch disk female leo


and just lost a 18inch disk male p14

which was replace with these 2 10inch male

hahahahaha and you think thats under stocked would you like me to pack the rays in tower block style

i just sold 1 14inch indo dat
1 12inch dat cambelli
1 14inch thin bar
1 9inch indo dat because i was thinking im over stocked

Maybe you thinks I should cram 3 adult rays multiple big dat a few archers tinfoils and a gar into a 6x3x2 I don't know what you feel comfy with
Different people what different ideas on what a good stocking level

I would rather be classed as someone who under stocks a tank than someone who over stocks it any day

thats it i am done now you and ade should get a room

Yeah, you just keep building the profile against you as a stuck up arrogant *******. You go on and on about your big tank and how it is perfect yet you have 3 large rays and two smaller rays.

I would think you'll have a list of things wrong with my current setup. Since you like under stocking. I like looking at tanks with fish in them not a couple with a big tank. My 180gal has a bdxleo, hystrix, 2x motoros, 11 gar and is linked to a planted 125gal with a black aro, 5 discus, 3 tetras and 2 corys. I have been changing things up do do different things. I'll have a 10'x10' and I will fill it with fish. People do have different ideas on stocking levels.

Just because you have lighter stock doesn't make you better. I don't have any problems ade or his comments in this thread. The thing I am really noticing is that you seem to be in this same situation over and over again. Not many others with that trend. Maybe it is because everyone else is on an arrogant high horse...or it could just be you. I think I am going with the latter yet again. You have nice fish but it doesn't make you better then anyone else. Nor are your fish better then anyone else's.

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Yeah, you just keep building the profile against you as a stuck up arrogant *******. You go on and on about your big tank and how it is perfect yet you have 3 large rays and two smaller rays.

I would think you'll have a list of things wrong with my current setup. Since you like under stocking. I like looking at tanks with fish in them not a couple with a big tank. My 180gal has a bdxleo, hystrix, 2x motoros, 11 gar and is linked to a planted 125gal with a black aro, 5 discus, 3 tetras and 2 corys. I have been changing things up do do different things. I'll have a 10'x10' and I will fill it with fish. People do have different ideas on stocking levels.

Just because you have lighter stock doesn't make you better. I don't have any problems ade or his comments in this thread. The thing I am really noticing is that you seem to be in this same situation over and over again. Not many others with that trend. Maybe it is because everyone else is on an arrogant high horse...or it could just be you. I think I am going with the latter yet again. You have nice fish but it doesn't make you better then anyone else. Nor are your fish better then anyone else's.

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Yes I may have nice fish in your eyes but it has taken me 7 years to put them all in the same place at the same time

If you think my tank is lightly stocked then I don't think you have seen a 24" ray that over 36" with tail

Look I'm done with you

You keep over stocking your 180gal and good luck with that

Lightly stocked are you crazy most of the floor space is covered
And I have added another 4ft of barbs

http://youtu.be/xDCA_FNtHAs


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Can't we all just get along? Seriously though, T1, you're stock is top notch as is yours Scott when it comes to Gars. I don't think Ades comments were meant the way you took them but I get the personal side of it. I think you and Ade should talk it over in private and let the past be the past. 2 great fishkeepers with impressive stocks should be on the same team, not enemies.


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Yes I may have nice fish in your eyes but it has taken me 7 years to put them all in the same place at the same time

If you think my tank is lightly stocked then I don't think you have seen a 24" ray that over 36" with tail

Look I'm done with you

You keep over stocking your 180gal and good luck with that

Lightly stocked are you crazy most of the floor space is covered
And I have added another 4ft of barbs

http://youtu.be/xDCA_FNtHAs


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I have seen many rays bigger then that. A friend of mine has a couple that size and I have seen some monstrous rays at the shedd. The point is just lose the damn attitude and people won't have issues with you. Plain and simple.

It has taken me a long time to get what I have also. What I and many have been saying to you that you don't seem to get is that you come off as an arrogant prick. If you just change that tone to your posts and project yourself as an equal keeper to someone with out rays or "just retics" you won't get the kind of shots taken at you that you do.

I have overstocked every tank I own and have not had issues caused by that. I in fact have some of the best growth rates around with just about any fish I get my hands on. Must mean something is working. Overstocked or not. Like I said my rays are not staying in the 180gal. I am selling my motoros and hystrix. I'll be getting a bdxpearl female very soon and upgrading to a 1500gal+ soon as well. I know you missed that whole point when I brought it up. My over stocked 180gal is a stepping stone.

Maybe it is a cultural thing. You over there I am over here. You think your attitude is normal here we think it is not. That is what this whole back and forth between us is about. Your never ending ability to show your piss poor attitude.

Yes I said you have nice fish, just ad nice as any other p14 I have seen or any bdxleo I have seen. Once you stop that attitude you won't find yourself in these situations. You say every time some one brings it up "I am done with you". That is what people say when they know they are wrong, have been called out on it and don't know how to admit it.

I can admit when I am wrong. It isn't hard. I can admit when I have had an attitude. They are both simple tasks that one must learn to be a successful person not only in fishkeeping but in the rest if their lives. Don't jump to the defense if people try to help you see what the world around you sees. In the end your only hurting yourself.

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I have seen many rays bigger then that. A friend of mine has a couple that size and I have seen some monstrous rays at the shedd. The point is just lose the damn attitude and people won't have issues with you. Plain and simple.

It has taken me a long time to get what I have also. What I and many have been saying to you that you don't seem to get is that you come off as an arrogant prick. If you just change that tone to your posts and project yourself as an equal keeper to someone with out rays or "just retics" you won't get the kind of shots taken at you that you do.

I have overstocked every tank I own and have not had issues caused by that. I in fact have some of the best growth rates around with just about any fish I get my hands on. Must mean something is working. Overstocked or not. Like I said my rays are not staying in the 180gal. I am selling my motoros and hystrix. I'll be getting a bdxpearl female very soon and upgrading to a 1500gal+ soon as well. I know you missed that whole point when I brought it up. My over stocked 180gal is a stepping stone.

Maybe it is a cultural thing. You over there I am over here. You think your attitude is normal here we think it is not. That is what this whole back and forth between us is about. Your never ending ability to show your piss poor attitude.

Yes I said you have nice fish, just ad nice as any other p14 I have seen or any bdxleo I have seen. Once you stop that attitude you won't find yourself in these situations. You say every time some one brings it up "I am done with you". That is what people say when they know they are wrong, have been called out on it and don't know how to admit it.

I can admit when I am wrong. It isn't hard. I can admit when I have had an attitude. They are both simple tasks that one must learn to be a successful person not only in fishkeeping but in the rest if their lives. Don't jump to the defense if people try to help you see what the world around you sees. In the end your only hurting yourself.

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And of couse this wasn't over stocked

http://youtu.be/AFBdhREr-w8

Or

This

http://youtu.be/ta8aahOu2hc


Or this


http://youtu.be/ZzAhCqHJbzk


Or this

http://youtu.be/TJyyivy19Y0


If you don't think they are all over stocked then dam you can't have any water in your tank just fish flapping about on the tank base


As for looking down my nose at people that's rubbish I give advice to everyone if it be retic or motoro
It may not be what they want to hear but its what I feel is the right advice

I'm not going to give wrong advice like yes a 55gal will be fine for a motoro for life it maybe what they want to hear but it would be wrong advice

As for sorting things out with Ade I tried that for the past months which is why his post was a sly dig at me

That is it now leave it


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Wow your thick. Nice videos, not really that overstocked once you got the 1000. I can see now why people have given up trying to help you see it. You just won't. So I'll join their club, maybe they have jackets. maybe one day you'll understand, until then expect to be blown off.

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Wow I'm super jealous, nice rays t1 I wish we could have them in az but saddly their illegal.... keep up the good work

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