You guys hurt his feelings.
Dirty Redd I hit you up on the flowerhorn website. I'm in MD too, we should link up.
Dirty Redd I hit you up on the flowerhorn website. I'm in MD too, we should link up.
New Mammon fry @ 2.5"
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phoenix-Kin...rot-goldfish-tropical-live-fish-/321186044496
http://www.extremeexoticfish.com/
It looked like a pretty reputable set up. I rolled the dice...shame on me
$25 each/ $50 shipping
http://www.extremeexoticfish.com/
It looked like a pretty reputable set up. I rolled the dice...shame on me
$25 each/ $50 shipping
I think the guy is legit. Just wait for the transformation.
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The breeder of Red Mammon is based in Taiwan, Mr. Wang of Happy Breed Farm. http://www.happybreed.com/en/about.htm
They do not sell fry, period. There are many grades of fish and only the top quality grade are sold as Mammon, and those fish are microchipped and come with a certificate that matches up with that chip #.
The entry level fish (low grade) are in the $300 range, and from there go to $1,000+. Some probably FAR higher to the crazy Asian collectors. Even ones purchased at $500+ that I've seen were not even close to show quality Mammon, more orange than red, certainly nothing spectaculur to look at - and these were purchased in person at Happy Breed Farm in Taiwan, and came with chip & cert.
Soooooooo, moral of the story is do your homework before you open your wallet. On the internet, anyone can call anything, any damn thing that they want - and sell it for as much as others are willing to pay.
$100 is a pretty cheap lesson, and you may end up with a couple of nice KKP, so no real loss here.
They do not sell fry, period. There are many grades of fish and only the top quality grade are sold as Mammon, and those fish are microchipped and come with a certificate that matches up with that chip #.
The entry level fish (low grade) are in the $300 range, and from there go to $1,000+. Some probably FAR higher to the crazy Asian collectors. Even ones purchased at $500+ that I've seen were not even close to show quality Mammon, more orange than red, certainly nothing spectaculur to look at - and these were purchased in person at Happy Breed Farm in Taiwan, and came with chip & cert.
Soooooooo, moral of the story is do your homework before you open your wallet. On the internet, anyone can call anything, any damn thing that they want - and sell it for as much as others are willing to pay.
$100 is a pretty cheap lesson, and you may end up with a couple of nice KKP, so no real loss here.
The breeder of Red Mammon is based in Taiwan, Mr. Wang of Happy Breed Farm. http://www.happybreed.com/en/about.htm
They do not sell fry, period. There are many grades of fish and only the top quality grade are sold as Mammon, and those fish are microchipped and come with a certificate that matches up with that chip #.
The entry level fish (low grade) are in the $300 range, and from there go to $1,000+. Some probably FAR higher to the crazy Asian collectors. Even ones purchased at $500+ that I've seen were not even close to show quality Mammon, more orange than red, certainly nothing spectaculur to look at - and these were purchased in person at Happy Breed Farm in Taiwan, and came with chip & cert.
Soooooooo, moral of the story is do your homework before you open your wallet. On the internet, anyone can call anything, any damn thing that they want - and sell it for as much as others are willing to pay.
$100 is a pretty cheap lesson, and you may end up with a couple of nice KKP, so no real loss here.
Fair enough. I didn't know this. Seems a lot of hassle for a fish. Oh well.
There have been a number of "mammon type" breeders that have exported fish to the USA over the years, usually the name "Mammon" is attached, when in reality they are not true Mammon. (for reasons already mentioned) That does not mean that some of these fish aren't very nice, or that their fry don't turn out very nice, but they are not true Mammon. It is with these fish that vendors sell what they call Red Mammon fry. Usually they will just leave the actual farms name out of their advertisement, and maybe mention that they came from Taiwan. You can see this type of fish in the following past discussion - also note what a 3" A grade fish looks like.
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?475952-Red-Mammon
With Mammon, like most fancy strains of Asian bred fish, the true masterpiece show fish never leave Asia.
All we ever see are the photos on the interweb, none of those fish get exported. A friend of mine in town used to import Asian aros from Singapore, and most farms have special rooms in the back where only select buyers get to view the cream of the crop. With Asian aros, top buyers in the world are Chinese & Japanese. Businessman that will drop 25K on select fish without even blinking.
Asian aro collectors have a saying, buy the fish, not the cert. In other words focus on the fish, not what's written on a piece of paper. For myself I would look for the best "Mammon type" fish that I could find here in North America - get lots of pics, and video from the vendor, and then only shell out what you can afford to lose.
HTH
http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?475952-Red-Mammon
With Mammon, like most fancy strains of Asian bred fish, the true masterpiece show fish never leave Asia.
All we ever see are the photos on the interweb, none of those fish get exported. A friend of mine in town used to import Asian aros from Singapore, and most farms have special rooms in the back where only select buyers get to view the cream of the crop. With Asian aros, top buyers in the world are Chinese & Japanese. Businessman that will drop 25K on select fish without even blinking.
Asian aro collectors have a saying, buy the fish, not the cert. In other words focus on the fish, not what's written on a piece of paper. For myself I would look for the best "Mammon type" fish that I could find here in North America - get lots of pics, and video from the vendor, and then only shell out what you can afford to lose.
HTH
Good news is at least one is a female...tube dropped and she is setting up a nest. I cant see any clear partner shes chosen yet, but I will post something when/if she does...Also thanks for the information and background on the fish...lots of good stuff.
Redd I just explained what RD said, to my father.
These fish they sell in the US aren't true Mammons but that's what they're called.
Just show us pictures over time. I know I wanna see.
These fish they sell in the US aren't true Mammons but that's what they're called.
Just show us pictures over time. I know I wanna see.
