Well, I think the cherry's have finally met their match. Did a small water change for the new ornate and del. had dropped one cube of blood worms for them to snack on over night. The pile appeared pretty much untouched. But still found two big Bichir Lincoln log turds and appears to be a lot less baby shrimp. The LFS was feeding them live black worms. Going to hold off on n feeding for a few days and see how they do.