livebearerfreak;4187375; said:
You've been here for a few years and made virtually the same topics over and over and over. You've also gotten the same responses over and over and over. It's getting old.
And Loves Severums, get over yourself.
new project im going to do!
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You've been here for a few years and made virtually the same topics over and over and over. You've also gotten the same responses over and over and over. It's getting old.
And Loves Severums, get over yourself.
Just for clarification, practically all captive convicts are suspected to be hybrids of at least two original species of 'convict'-like cichlids. So even a strain of 'normal' convicts is probably made of more than one species.
Crossing different variants of a given species (if it's pure) is not hybridizing. It is crossing. Like a gold aro with a red aro. Same exact species, so it's not a hybrid, but a cross.
It is a good breeding exercise to find an attractive trait and do a bit of line-breeding to see what comes of it. No reason to discourage the efforts of LBF. I actually think it sounds neat, even if they end up as feeders.
LBF, you'll need at least nine large tanks to effectively fix this strain in under five years. Raising multiple batches of fry to maturity to ensure coloration is being passed along and holding true will take a lot of food, time and patience. Are you committed enough to the creation of this strain to stick with the lineage for such a long time? A strain is not viable until parents are throwing out at least 90% consistent specimens to the type. It's work. Be ready before you start.
Crossing different variants of a given species (if it's pure) is not hybridizing. It is crossing. Like a gold aro with a red aro. Same exact species, so it's not a hybrid, but a cross.
It is a good breeding exercise to find an attractive trait and do a bit of line-breeding to see what comes of it. No reason to discourage the efforts of LBF. I actually think it sounds neat, even if they end up as feeders.
LBF, you'll need at least nine large tanks to effectively fix this strain in under five years. Raising multiple batches of fry to maturity to ensure coloration is being passed along and holding true will take a lot of food, time and patience. Are you committed enough to the creation of this strain to stick with the lineage for such a long time? A strain is not viable until parents are throwing out at least 90% consistent specimens to the type. It's work. Be ready before you start.
yah im ready. my wigglers should be free swimming within 24 hours. so with this strain riht now ( black father pink mother ) what genes are the frys gunna hold?
i agreed, people like that should be banned.
convicts are cool, i dont have any but if thats the fish your into i dont see anything wrong with that
convicts are cool, i dont have any but if thats the fish your into i dont see anything wrong with that
knifegill;4187889; said:Just for clarification, practically all captive convicts are suspected to be hybrids of at least two original species of 'convict'-like cichlids. So even a strain of 'normal' convicts is probably made of more than one species.
Crossing different variants of a given species (if it's pure) is not hybridizing. It is crossing. Like a gold aro with a red aro. Same exact species, so it's not a hybrid, but a cross.
Pure speculation that aquarium strain convicts are a hybrid. It's very conceivable that the convict cichlid was imported originally only once and that aquarium strain convicts owe there genes entirely to the innitial importation. Up until this decade, it was very, very rare for anyone to re-import the convict cichlid, and like more recent importaions, probably has little or nothing to do with the major population as a whole.
That aquarium strain convicts could even be a hybrid of different species is wholly dependent on one's acceptance of Schmitter-Soto's reclassification of the convict cichlid into 4 species. Something that is not yet widely accepted, even by many ichthologists. The cichlid room companion, which many of us aquarists use as a standard, has temporarily accpeted the new convict species but is now rejecting Amatitlania as a genus. Maybe it's just a matter of time before none of the Schmitter-Soto re-classification is accepted? Probably not
, just wishfull thinking on my part, as the trend is to make more and more species out of what were formerly considered regional variants.But the cross of 2 different strains is most certainly a hybrid. Not a hybrid between 2 different species, but a hybrid of different strains. Still a hybrid. It fits any dictionary definition of the term and the word is commonly used this way.It is a widely accepted use of the term. Two different breeds of dogs crossed ( same species), produces a hybrid called a mutt. Two different strains of crops crossed (same species)produces seed that is called and is even marketed as a hybrid ---- generally the term hybird vigour has been made popular as the result of advertising these hybrids. Many aquarists do regard the crossing of the same species originating from different bodies of water to be a hybrid, as they are seperate strains that do not cross in the wild. Same thing with crossing 2 man-made line bred aquarium strains. But given the recent trends in taxonomy, it's quite conceivable that many regional variants will end up being re-classified into new species, just like what has been done with the convict cichlid, and what is now a hybrid of strains would become a hybrid of 2 different species.
well i dont consider this hybeds but line-bred. anyways, my 2nd pair layed eggs sometime today, and my first pair frys are about to free swim! sweet, eh? lol
LBF,
In your endeavor of your 5 year commitment to you Convicts, make sure you document and photograph your findings. This way you have your proof if questioned about your findings. You can show exactly what you have done and the results of your crosses. Good luck and I hope you have much success in your endeavor.
P.S. - Documentation and photographs can never be over emphasized or stressed enough. Make sure you do it constantly.
In your endeavor of your 5 year commitment to you Convicts, make sure you document and photograph your findings. This way you have your proof if questioned about your findings. You can show exactly what you have done and the results of your crosses. Good luck and I hope you have much success in your endeavor.
P.S. - Documentation and photographs can never be over emphasized or stressed enough. Make sure you do it constantly.
