New Shipment; All Sick; Who's at Fault?

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So it sounds like the concencus is that the retailer is responsible directly to the public which they serve. Correct?

So I guess it would be up to the retailer to follow up with the wholesaler?
 
^yes, thats my opinion the retailer is resopnsable to the customer. The wholesaler is accountable to the retailer.
 
Isn't your answer dependent on the accuracy of your timeline and how quickly ich can develop once an animal is exposed? I don't know the answer to either.

Supplier is to blame since the fish may have already been compromised - is poor condition with ich within a 12 hour period of delivery likely pre-existing? Retailer is to blame since he does not quarantine - can ich manifest within your timeline? Retailer has blame in any event for not taking steps to prevent perpetuating a potential existing condition and then hold out the fish for sale in that condition.
 
The supplier is probably at fault, but it is the retailer that must take the responsibility. It is the retailer that decides to order, stock and sell particular items. If the Wholesaler's product is sub-par then the retailer is at a point where he/she must decide whether or not to keep dealing with the supplier, to cut current deals and find another, more responsible wholesaler. So while it may be the supplier's fault, and they will suffer in business from actions like this if it continues, it is the retailer that takes on the responsibility of selling, or not selling it to the public.

Another thing to think about is what the species were. You said these were rare fish that aren't carried in LFS stores often, perhaps there is a reason for that. If these were rare, sensitive species of fish then they may suffer from diseases in captivity that others do not due to stress that more common fish do not suffer from. Say if it was a shipment of Altum Angelfish compared to a common Tiger Oscar. The mortality/disease rate of the rare, sensitive fish may just be higher.

Just my thoughts...
 
Yup if the store get sick fish it's not thier fault. But if they keep ordering fish from a bad seller that ships sick fish then the store is no better. If I ordered fish for my store all were sickly I would talk to who I bought them from and look for another seller.

Sick fish should not be for sale.
 
Alot of points make valid sense regarding both the supplier of the fish and the lfs, however the million dollar question is the level of care during the shipping and handling and which shipping company was used. As most of you guys/ gals are aware of just because the package is marked livestock or handle with care doesn't mean that person(s) handling the shipment will follow instructions other that to insure the package arrives at its destination. Stress is the #1 enemy of fish and if the container has been mistreated, left outside in adverse conditions or thrown around i'm sure that is also may cause the lifestock to arrive in such bad shape. I'm sure we all have experiance receiving something from either UPS or USPS that arrived in a shape like it fell of the Empire State Building :irked:.
 
As stated above by BigPic, There is to many factors in a case like this.
 
fitznacio;3993490; said:
Alot of points make valid sense regarding both the supplier of the fish and the lfs, however the million dollar question is the level of care during the shipping and handling and which shipping company was used. As most of you guys/ gals are aware of just because the package is marked livestock or handle with care doesn't mean that person(s) handling the shipment will follow instructions other that to insure the package arrives at its destination. Stress is the #1 enemy of fish and if the container has been mistreated, left outside in adverse conditions or thrown around i'm sure that is also may cause the lifestock to arrive in such bad shape. I'm sure we all have experiance receiving something from either UPS or USPS that arrived in a shape like it fell of the Empire State Building :irked:.

True. I've certainly had my share of fish boxes delivered that looked like they were used as soccer balls! Had fish cook to death abondoned on some loading dock somewhere too.

But bad treatment during shipping can't synthesize parasites out of thin air. Parasites either were present on the fish at arrival or at such high levels in the retailer's tank that they were "instantly" transferred (or transferred in a couple of hours) into high level infestations.
 
haynchinook334;3990966; said:
So all in all, if the the supplier sent sick fish, I would say the supplier.

:iagree: :grinno:
 
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