New thread...p14 is very swollen????? Video-
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I did waterchanges last night and removed the meds. No salt is in the system.
Not sure what to do at this point. He refused food again this morning. I looked pretty good and did not see any wounds on belly, or anywhere.
I agree with Brent on the no salt thing and carbon will help pull prazi out.
I would rule out a barbing.... I've never seen a ray react to being barbed by another ray... let alone swelling like this.
Finding the source of the reaction will be the 'fun' part. Could be a reaction from an internal parasite being killed off by the prazi. I've lost two rays to parasites deciding to burrow through muscle tissue when prazi was used. The necropsy showed a spider web of tears internally, which where swollen.
Could also be a bacterial issue. For that, I'd go to an injectable antibiotic (which may be a bit harder to get ahold of) like Baytril or maybe even as harsh as Amikacin (the latter as a last resort).
If the ray starts getting skinny, you can tube feed it to keep the calorie load up while you diagnose the problem. If it gets to that point, let me know and I can give you the mix of stuff we use when tubing weak rays.
I would rule out a barbing.... I've never seen a ray react to being barbed by another ray... let alone swelling like this.
Finding the source of the reaction will be the 'fun' part. Could be a reaction from an internal parasite being killed off by the prazi. I've lost two rays to parasites deciding to burrow through muscle tissue when prazi was used. The necropsy showed a spider web of tears internally, which where swollen.
Could also be a bacterial issue. For that, I'd go to an injectable antibiotic (which may be a bit harder to get ahold of) like Baytril or maybe even as harsh as Amikacin (the latter as a last resort).
If the ray starts getting skinny, you can tube feed it to keep the calorie load up while you diagnose the problem. If it gets to that point, let me know and I can give you the mix of stuff we use when tubing weak rays.
THanks Matt
yea, i dont think a ray stuck him. Plus it happens often with a tank of rays, and never seen this before.
Not sure how i should go about diagnosing the problem....
like i said i dont think it was the prazi, or the killing of parasites, because now that i see what is going on, i noticed some minor swelling before prazi was used...
which leads back to bacterial.. but i see no open wounds?
yea, i dont think a ray stuck him. Plus it happens often with a tank of rays, and never seen this before.
Not sure how i should go about diagnosing the problem....
like i said i dont think it was the prazi, or the killing of parasites, because now that i see what is going on, i noticed some minor swelling before prazi was used...
which leads back to bacterial.. but i see no open wounds?
Bacterial seems most likely but is there any possibility it could be an allergic reaction to what it's been eating?
i thought that too. he is eating cut crawlers.. so has the female though.
He did eat some smelt several weeks ago, while he was in the bigger tank. BUt so did my flower, and a couple other of my rays.
He did eat some smelt several weeks ago, while he was in the bigger tank. BUt so did my flower, and a couple other of my rays.
ok, so MAYBE bacterial.... any way to tell for sure?
What if it is a allergic reaction?
Before treatment, i am going to move the female tonight, and start doing large waterchanges, and make sure there is no build up of anything in the filter... i will also test the water again, just to rule it out.
I dont want to shotgun it and just start guessing and throwing in meds, but thsi has all been going on to long, and i feel i should be acting pretty quickly.
What if it is a allergic reaction?
Before treatment, i am going to move the female tonight, and start doing large waterchanges, and make sure there is no build up of anything in the filter... i will also test the water again, just to rule it out.
I dont want to shotgun it and just start guessing and throwing in meds, but thsi has all been going on to long, and i feel i should be acting pretty quickly.
Not necessarily that the food is tainted but just that his system is reacting differently. I used to keep discus and found, through trial and error, that one of my dozen-plus fish was allergic to Tetra Color Bits. None of the other fish had a problem with them, I isolated this fish and fed something different and it was fine then the first time I offered it color bits again it had a clear allergic reaction.
I know the chances are remote.
I know the chances are remote.
i'm not even sure rays can have allergic reactions, but i'd think it's possible. if that's the case, remember, the others would be able to eat the same things as him without the allergic reaction, just like 1 human could eat peanuts fine and the other would be hospitalized. don't rule out a food type just because the other rays aren't affected.
allergy was my first thought when i saw the swelling, similar to ppl who get stung by bees, eat shellfish, etc.
when did you first notice the swelling? it would definitely give you a better time frame to look at. was it around the time of the smelt? if swelling was before the prazi, it might just have worsened it, but shouldn't be declared the cause.
allergy was my first thought when i saw the swelling, similar to ppl who get stung by bees, eat shellfish, etc.
when did you first notice the swelling? it would definitely give you a better time frame to look at. was it around the time of the smelt? if swelling was before the prazi, it might just have worsened it, but shouldn't be declared the cause.
