New to big tank keeping

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TheBloodyIrish

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Mar 3, 2007
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I am fairly new to big tank keeping. My experience with tank keeping only extend as far as reptiles and a few aquatic frogs. I have two motives for keeping a big tank.

I never really got into keeping a big tank since I feel that the bigger the tank, the bigger the fish have to be. However, I hate how fish act unnaturally if they are not in their ideal space size. :nilly:

One reason why I am asking is that I came to dispise television in the past few years and came about to playing music, listening to music and taking care of large mammals almost exclusively. Now, I want to get rid of my TV and associated electronics such as PlayStation 2, Nintendo 64, 5 DVD players, 3 VCRs, a Beta Max and so on. If I really ant to watch TV, I will just hook up the TV/PC monitor that I have in my office. I am thinking that a large tank of 100, 200 or 300 gallons in place of it in the living room will be entertaining.

The second reason that is that I have been managing online businesses for awhile and want to run a business of my own. Right now, I am drawing up a proposal for a nightclub, with an old fashioned look such as an Irish or Newfoundland bar with enough modern decor that appeal to young adults, for investors. However, there will be a rather larger feature in the nightclub that will only open in the evening to about 2 or 3 in the morning. I plan to have a large fishtank that emcompass the entire room of 930 square meters or 10,000 square feet. The largest dimension of the room will be 35 feet by 35 feet or 11 meters by 11 meters. I still have not worked out the dimension of the tank yet as I have not discovered the right width or height. From what my partner tell me, I am looking at anything between 1,000 to 15,000 gallons depending on the dimension. :WHOA:

I know that this will be a rather large project, which bring me back to my first paragraph. I want to experiment with it on a smaller scale. If the fish community thrive on a smaller scale, I plan to put that on a larger scale with more species or more fish.

What kind of tank I am planning to keep? I rather have freshwater, although saltwater fish are beatiful, I like the look of freshwater fish -- not to mention it will lower the maintance cost. It is just business. :(

What kind of fish I woud like to keep? Native fish if possible. I lived in Alberta for my entire life and I love the appearance of our Canadian fish. However, if I need go for other species, I will.

What kind of look I am going for? A natural community that interact with each others with their natural behavior. If a fish species is meant to act as pair, I want them to act as a pair. If they are meant to act as a school, I want them to act as a school. Too many time I seen school fish in little 5 gallons and 10 gallons tank act as if they are individuals. A good fishkeeper friend of mine said I can artificially change their biological clock by making them think it is day during the evening and night during the day.

I know I am a bit crazy. :screwy: However, this something that I always wanted to do. I just need to know what I am looking at and what I need to do such as what to stock the tank with, what can I do to relieve the stress off the fish and how to protect the tank from being smashed in.
 
i know you said you want to go with native fish, however you might want to try some south/central american cichlids, i recommend oscars because they are easy to keep; have great "personality", and grow to be very large 10-24 inches. most of these other sa/ca cichlids have similar traits..red devils, jack dempseys, green terrors, red terrors, texas cichlids, dovii, manguenese(jaguar), motanganese(tiger-jag), and pacu are some,and i do mean some of the larger more popular species however once you set your tank up you will soon realize all of the possibilities you have. BEWARE this hobby is VERY, VERY addictive. Good Luck and i hope this provided some kind of help.:mwave:
 
Hell yeah!!!! Try 300G if you can get a used one its always good to go as big as your wallet and floor can handle. As for the HUGE tank, man I wish I lived by you, Id give ya a hand....I used to work at a bar with a tank over 40' long.

Im an african cichlid man myself so I would suggest those, great color extreamly hardy and in my opinion not as agressive as the SA&CA's so you can have more fish in the tank.

Let us know what you end up getting to start you off. :headbang2
 
Thanks for the suggestions.

As far as local pet store monsters, only the pickerels, gars, piranhas, and catfish interested me. Cichids never really interest me for some reason. They are interesting, but they never really appeal to me.

I do know that unless I have a self-maintaining population of "feeders", I won't be picking walleyes, perches, trouts, basses and bourbots as an addition to my tank as far as natives go. Before you ask what's a bourbot? Freshwater cod as known as lingfish. If I decide to go with natives, I will stock it with minnows, daces, trout-perch, suckers, sicklebacks, darters and whitefish. Maybe a few inveberates such as freshwater clams and crayfish. Most of the fish listed don't really grow past 15 centimeters or 5 or 6 inches.

Now, for non-natives -- I have to admit, I chuckled at my own thought of stocking with a zillion tetras. Not a bad idea though.

I would like to have an interacting communities that act like if they are living in a natural enivoroment, maybe a mini-ecosystem.
 
Urgh... I just realized I made a conversion error. The dimension should be 100 feet by 100 feet or 35 meters by 35 meters at the most.
 
im sure your customers would rather see some fish from other parts of the world compared to things they can catch locally IMO. i would go for silver arowanas, oscars, plecos, large cats, schools of silver dollars and clown loaches, bichirs. all these fish grow from 6"max to 3+ feet max and would make an impresion on customers to come back and tell their friends, unlike some trout etc..oh your in canada you could also do asian arowanas!
 
well that tank could be one foot by one foot and still be like 5 thousand gallons with that length. a good sustitute to a native tank might be pbass. they are tropical so i would mix them with natives. once you finalize the depth and width of your tank, you can better plan what goins into it. i forgot to ask, do you need help with the 300 or 3 billion gal tank?
 
dmopar74;733779; said:
im sure your customers would rather see some fish from other parts of the world compared to things they can catch locally IMO. i would go for silver arowanas, oscars, plecos, large cats, schools of silver dollars and clown loaches, bichirs. all these fish grow from 6"max to 3+ feet max and would make an impresion on customers to come back and tell their friends, unlike some trout etc..oh your in canada you could also do asian arowanas!

There is nothing wrong with local fish:banhim: Most of the fish he listed most people probably don't even know about. Besides, I think he is talking about his at home tank.
I strongly encourage you to do native fish BloodyIrish, you could really have a fantastic setup. Swing by the native and coldwater section of this site with any questions you have on them and myself and other can help you out. There are a few guys over there with large native tanks.
 
sandtiger;733824; said:
There is nothing wrong with local fish:banhim: Most of the fish he listed most people probably don't even know about. Besides, I think he is talking about his at home tank.
I strongly encourage you to do native fish BloodyIrish, you could really have a fantastic setup. Swing by the native and coldwater section of this site with any questions you have on them and myself and other can help you out. There are a few guys over there with large native tanks.

Heh, thanks! I will definately swing over there. The only thing I need to know is the ideal HLW (height, length, width) ratio setup for a North American native tank. I know saltwater keepers usually prefer there to have a high height to length ratio, while ray keepers have a high width to height ratio.

BIGgourami;733789; said:
well that tank could be one foot by one foot and still be like 5 thousand gallons with that length. a good sustitute to a native tank might be pbass. they are tropical so i would mix them with natives. once you finalize the depth and width of your tank, you can better plan what goins into it. i forgot to ask, do you need help with the 300 or 3 billion gal tank?

:eek: NO WAI!

Hahaha, about 1.2 billion or something. I still need to refine it. Anyway, before I figure that out -- I need to find an idea ratio of HLW and stastically put in fillers to reduce the overall length. Hopefully you guys had a good laugh. :naughty:
 
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