New to Rope Fish - help on set up

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My beloved Harley(albino sengalus) was one of those deaths. She got her head and right pectoral fin through a hole but her belly was to big and she drowned. Its weird to say my fish drowned.

You may also consider a polli they are awesome

so sorry to "hear" that :( it is weird to say that, and if i did not know what i now know about these fish, i would think you lost your marbles saying that. but i totally get it. maybe i'll take that skull out now then and replace with a temporary clay pot or something in the mean time. she really likes that decor but ya, i don't want to find her stuck in the eye of it. WC is today so that works out. and yep, i have been researching the polly's already and thinking of the senegal so far but the more i see in these threads, the more i am realizing, i will still need a much larger tank.

potato chips people, these things are freaking potato chips!! lol
 
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The places I have covered with duct tape aren't large expanses. Plus, once the tape gets moisture on it it's not as sticky. I bet if they did get stuck they could wriggle off of it, maybe with some superficial damage but better that than a death.

I just rehomed my polys as I'll be moving and it was hard for me to see the ropes go. twentyleagues twentyleagues has them as of yesterday along with his other 3.
 
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I agree on the co2, don't fall for that stuff. The "dutch style" planted tank emerged back in the 30's, way before we got so technical about things. The whole co2 fad is just a clever cash grab for the big companies who make these things. And then there's all the clever DIY projects all over and we get an entire subculture focused around this useless thing that they all think is working awesome while really only fixing something that wasn't broken. You would only need co2 if you were going to go absolutely mental on the plant front.

Polypterids, most catfish, and predatory species produce a lot of waste, and are messy eaters, which not only raises co2 levels in the water but provide vital nutrients to the plants. With the BN gracing the plants for algae and the rope and cories sifting through the sand there won't be much stagnation in the sand or rotting food fouling the water. You could also add a species of sand snail to aerate the sand and plant roots, and another species of snail for eating algae on the plants, like Ramshorn. All snails will also eat detritus and uneaten food. Snails can actually be very beneficial to planted tanks and the only species who actually eat aquarium plants are the really big ones.

The part about aerating the sand becomes important once you get a layer thicker than about 4-5cm with fine sand, as pockets of concentrated co2 will build up under the sand as a product of compacted decomposing organic stuff, and can be released as big bubbles from the sand if left long enough. It makes the water poisonous and can end catastrophically. Trumpet snails are undoubtedly the best for preventing this, but there are many other species also.

The different mechanisms in the tank will usually stabilize after a little patience so long as you provide acceptable conditions and do regular water changes.
 
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I agree on the co2, don't fall for that stuff. The "dutch style" planted tank emerged back in the 30's, way before we got so technical about things. The whole co2 fad is just a clever cash grab for the big companies who make these things. And then there's all the clever DIY projects all over and we get an entire subculture focused around this useless thing that they all think is working awesome while really only fixing something that wasn't broken. You would only need co2 if you were going to go absolutely mental on the plant front.

Polypterids, most catfish, and predatory species produce a lot of waste, and are messy eaters, which not only raises co2 levels in the water but provide vital nutrients to the plants. With the BN gracing the plants for algae and the rope and cories sifting through the sand there won't be much stagnation in the sand or rotting food fouling the water. You could also add a species of sand snail to aerate the sand and plant roots, and another species of snail for eating algae on the plants, like Ramshorn. All snails will also eat detritus and uneaten food. Snails can actually be very beneficial to planted tanks and the only species who actually eat aquarium plants are the really big ones.

The part about aerating the sand becomes important once you get a layer thicker than about 4-5cm with fine sand, as pockets of concentrated co2 will build up under the sand as a product of compacted decomposing organic stuff, and can be released as big bubbles from the sand if left long enough. It makes the water poisonous and can end catastrophically. Trumpet snails are undoubtedly the best for preventing this, but there are many other species also.

The different mechanisms in the tank will usually stabilize after a little patience so long as you provide acceptable conditions and do regular water changes.

Thank you for the info on the co2, that's a huge relief to me lol

I've never had snails before so I'll do research on the ones you mentioned.

With the sand substrate and plants, will I need or be able to siphon vacuum? I siphon vacuum once a week which aids in easy wc too. In my mind, the sand will be too light and get siphoned up. The piggies do a fantastic job on floor clean up, so I'm mostly cleaning out poop debris.
 
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I use a python. I go near the bottom to get debris but you really don't need to get in there too much with the plants and the MTS (Malaysian trumpet snails, the typical substrate sifter for planted peeps.)
 
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The places I have covered with duct tape aren't large expanses. Plus, once the tape gets moisture on it it's not as sticky. I bet if they did get stuck they could wriggle off of it, maybe with some superficial damage but better that than a death.

I just rehomed my polys as I'll be moving and it was hard for me to see the ropes go. twentyleagues twentyleagues has them as of yesterday along with his other 3.


i have 1 small opening where the bubbler hose goes in, one small long where the lid "handle" is at and then a large gap where the sub filter sits in, that area, on top, is the part i'm having trouble figuring out how to cover because there is water in the filter right at the top there. so i have been keeping a square plastic container which i realize is useless really but i hope if she does try to take a jump there, she will bonk her head on the container lol i had a suction cup spacer behind the filter that kept the gap open between glass and filter but i noticed during the wc a bit ago, she managed to knock that off so i need to fix that now.
 
I use a python. I go near the bottom to get debris but you really don't need to get in there too much with the plants and the MTS (Malaysian trumpet snails, the typical substrate sifter for planted peeps.)

thanks, i'll check into that as well then. i have a list going on things to research and get. i'm hoping to get everything i need and get it all set up by december at the latest.
 
ok, so i was able to return what neon tetra's i had left that Beamer (rope fish) didn't eat and i got a refund on the ones she ate too since the lady that sold me the fish told me she wouldn't eat them, she was there so it was verified what she said to me. i got the cichlid pellets (i hope the correct ones?) and the shrimp pellets. then i went to petco to return the beef hearts she refused to eat and exchange that for the frozen blood worms.

came home, took out the small skull log decor she liked being in and put a roundish coffee mug in there in place of it, temporary until i find something better. i hope she likes the cup, i faced it to the darker corner like the log was sitting, it's just not as tight of a space. currently she is hiding out in the log, she wasn't too thrilled with the vacuuming and wc. i scared the crud out of her and i had to throw myself over the top of the tank to keep her from jumping out lol

excuse the water look, i just dumped the new water in (30% change) and i still have plant bits floating around the tank from the little plant the cory's destroyed. there is also a cucumber bit in there that the bn pleco munches. but, like i said, it is kinda sad that after 30 years of fish keeping, i'm still very basic at it. i can't wait to get my first big girl tank! lol

question on lighting for the new rope and poly tank though.. i currently use a daylight/moonlight led, will this be sufficient for the planted tank or will i need something stronger?

thank you all for all the wonderful and friendly input and help :) i am so glad i found i this forum.


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You'll need a new light when you get your 55 because it needs to be the length of the tank.

I use and have good luck with Finnex Planted Plus 24/7 but lots of LEDs would work. (I don't use the 24/7 mode though)

Look on Craigslist or Offer Up - you can get screaming deals on tanks if you're patient.
 
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