Nitrate Reduction using Dr. Tim's NP Active Pearls in Freshwater

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very interesting indeed.... will this harm fish with hith?

This should not harm a fish with HITH. It should help cure it by removing/reducing nitrates, or at least allowing you to maintain nitrates low enough for healing to occur. However, if dealing with HITH, I would not substitute water changes with this process. I would use it in addition to the water changes.

I would love to better understand your schematics through photos. Wher is teh reactor functioning? Does it spill its water into the flower tray? Is the reactor inside the sump?

If you did not see the short video included included in the initial post. If this does not clarify the configuration let me know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4yu6Va2QEM

The Reactor hangs on the sump with the pump sitting in the sump. Water flows from the sump, into the reactor, out through the flowerbox filter, back into the sump.
 
I have a ocean clear bead filter sitting around, and I may order some pearls and give it a try.
 
Now i see it.

I have used this in fluidizes sand filters with BIO PEARLS From UK' s TMC ( tropical Marine Center )

I gave up because the pearls get consumed very quickly ( i know heavy load ) and are very expensive in here and, secondly, because the fluized cannisters all had a fault and got holes in their bottom through the constant scrubbing of the pearls or sand.

What i never noticed, with my system, is that increase of mud/slime you mention. Why is that? My water passed through the pearls directly into the sump...
 
Now i see it.

I have used this in fluidizes sand filters with BIO PEARLS From UK' s TMC ( tropical Marine Center )

I gave up because the pearls get consumed very quickly ( i know heavy load ) and are very expensive in here and, secondly, because the fluized cannisters all had a fault and got holes in their bottom through the constant scrubbing of the pearls or sand.

What i never noticed, with my system, is that increase of mud/slime you mention. Why is that? My water passed through the pearls directly into the sump...

Crud... I hate it when that happens. I had a nice well crafted reply, hit post (or thought I did) and lost it. I'll try again.

The "slime" I continually reference is actually bacteria (probably bacillus). Think of this as a planted tank. Plants consume nitrogenous waste from the water, storing it in their leaves and stems. But this waste (ammonia and nitrate) is not removed from the tank until the plant is pruned and it's leaves and stems are removed. Otherwise, if the plant dies, or leaves break off and are not removed, then the nitrogenous waste it has stored is released back into the water as the plant decays.

The same concept is at work here except we are using bacteria instead of plants. Bacteria populates the bio pellets while using them as the needed organic carbon source. As the bacteria consume nitrate and phosophate from the water, they divide, growing in population. Excess populations split off from the pellets looking for a new home. This excess bacteria is the "brown slime" that is being harvested by the mechanical filtration. If not captured by mechanical filtration (or protein skimming in a salt water tank), they land wherever, die (no organic carbon source to be utilized as a source of energy), and degrade, releasing the nitrates (and phosphates) they had stored back into the water. In your prior use of bio pellets, if you were not harvesting the resulting bacteria, you probably did not see much of a result.

In response to your other concern, I don't want to sound like a sale weenie from Dr. Tim's, but I went with Dr. Tim's because his pellets are manufactured specifically for the aquarium hobby using 100% PHA, no other ingredients. Other pellets are likely manufactured for a different reason and re-purposed for the hobby, containing an unknown level of impurities and other compounds that are water soluble. These type of pellets would be subject to quick degradation while pure PHA will only be degraded by the bacterial processes we are seeking to cultivate. I am on my 5th week of using Dr. Tim's NP-Active Pearls, 3rd week of nitrate reduction, 2nd week of basically running near zero nitrates, and have not noticed a decrease in pellet size. I am expecting to receive 3-6 months of nitrate reduction using $35 worth of pellets on 120 gallons of water. If that changes, I will certainly update this thread with that information.

I am using an inexpensive Phospban reactor. While I would rather have one of the monster pellet bashers, the Phosban reactor is working out well enough. There is a strainer plate between the pellets and the bottom of the reactor. I'll keep an eye on that plate to see how well it lasts.
 
Wow. One learns after 40 years. So basicaly i was devolving my nitrates back into the water..

Neither did i know that plants , my photos, are doing the same, when leaves decay.a

Basically, my nitrate factory, my mosnter sump and all attached to it, kept its job at nitrate production.

Was doing it all wrong. And i do not know because my tanks are so established that i take no parametres...certainly won't do it now.

Have been doing a lot of thinking about changing things. This thread of yours was a real eye opener!
 
is this not the same as same having a phosban reactor (550) full of a pellet that removes nitrate and phosphates ? sucked from the sump and back into the sump, or at least back into the display tank ? as ya would need to dial the throttle back on the pump as it my understanding to remove nitrate and phosphates and that kinda stuff you need to have a slow GPH to remove it properly...

i thought about doing something like this as my tap waer contains 1ppm phosphate and 20ppm nitrate and have a heavy bio load... one thing i thought tho was why bother when ya do weekly water changes and you end up having to add tap water which is 20ppm back into the tank ? isnt that going backwards rather forwards ? or maybe i missed something lol...i planned on running a 550 phosban reactor with either a bio pellet or nitrate remover (seachem phosguard since it turns brown once exhuasted) or even a mix of a phosphate and nitrate remover together or possibly 2 550's (one for phosphates and one for nitrate) but i never bothered as i was under the assumption it wouldnt do me much good as im reintroducing 20ppm during water changes weekly and i dont have a sump lol as of yet...
 
This is not the same.

The process you are referencing for the removal of phosphate and nitrate is an artificial one. It occurs via absorption (in the case of Phosphate) or Ion Exchange (as in the case of nitrate). Absorption is rather inefficient and somewhat ineffective and ion exchange is basically substituting one bad thing for another. In the case of nitrate removal resins, they exchange a chloride ion for a nitrate ion. Both methods exhaust easily.

The process I'm referencing is a natural one performed by bacteria. It is the completion of the nitrogen cycle. Classic denitification requires anaerobic conditions that are difficult to achieve and are finicky to maintain. The process I am describing in this thread occurs aerobically. In my system, it being driven by a pump running at 500gph. Running it at a low GPH, as would be the case for classic denitrification, introduces the dangers of incomplete denitrification, which results in either an outflow containing hydrogen sulfide or nitrIte, either of which is toxic. So it absolutely is not recommended to run under low GPH....because doing so introduces risk and it's simply not needed. The only important safety aspect of this concept is that you must keep the pellets in motion. As long as there is good motion, the flow rate is high enough and there are not anaerobic pockets developing that can cause problems.

This process would be ideal for those who are running high nitrates in your tap water. Remove the nitrates in an aging container before using that water for water changes.... and you are performing water changes with zero nitrate water.
 
This is actually similar to how trees work. Trees consume carbon during their natural building process, and as long as the tree lives, the carbon is fixed in the true itself (this I think is the rationale behind the term 'carbon fixation', since carbon is not destroyed, it's only removed and temporarily fixed in a stable chemical form.) The burning down of forests releases the carbon back to the envirnoment.

Excellent post and idea. When people ask if there is a way to not do water changes ever, this is one of the basic ideas: fix and remove nitrates from the system. Whether thats best done with plants, filters or bacteria, this is a winner of an idea.
 
Stuff you guys know the theory of....beats my empiricism of 40 years.

Me and my nitrate factories....
 
I'm an old timer as well Miguel. I've been in the hobby for 30 years. Nothing wrong with empiricism. In this instance, we've taken theory, applied empiricism, and observed the results.

I think I made this statement in my original post but a decade ago, I considered easy denitrification the "Holy Grail" of fish keeping and have been experimenting with various methods for the last decade. Several years ago I came across the Tetra Patent where they patented the use of PCL's for this purpose and was waiting on them to release some type of product to put it to practical use. They never have (not really). So I was happy to see Dr. Tim's release a product based upon the same concepts.

Anyone interested in a little bit more of the science, you can view Dr. Tim's Presentation on the subject here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lMaAQwyV-M
 
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