NLS ingredient change ?

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The 4.5mm FLOAT I used still lists Herring as the second ingredient. The 7.5mm does not. I guess it shows how observant the fish keeping world is when it comes to paying attention to what's in their food. Even if it's a change made two years ago, it apparently went unnoticed. You would think something as significant as NLS dropping Herring or Fish from any of their formulas would have been noticed as it occurred. Which is what prompted the original post over on my site. It just had to turn into a partial poop storm to get the answer.
 
Yes, and I noticed how quickly you have corrected all this over on your site. :rolleyes:

All the wet weight, and preferred protein BS that you post about. What a complete farce. I just viewed your thread this morning, and don't know whether I should laugh, or cry. It seems that I have spent this entire discussion correcting most of what you say.

http://www.oscarfish.com/forum/prod...la-floating-pellets-ingredients-analysis.html

Again, most of your little factoids are based on nothing more than your vivid imagination, mixed with pure ignorance about this industry. FYI - algae meal is not defined as being manufactured from blue-green exclusively, if at all. And spirulina is NOT listed at its wet weight. Where in the hell do you get all this nonsense from? From "whole" products to wet spirulina - you don't have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about, with regards to NLS, or any other product line. No one is buying wet spirulina to manufacture their fish food, anymore than they are having wet frozen krill shipped around the globe.

Maybe you should post a link over to this discussion, so folks who really want to learn and understand some of this, can.
 
It appears that you can't keep your facts straight even on your own website, kmuda.


http://www.oscarfish.com/forum/prod...la-floating-pellets-ingredients-analysis.html

"The 7th ingredient, Spirulina, is listed at its wet weight. Once dried, as it must be for inclusion into a fish pellet, its weight will be substantially reduced, likely placing it further down the list of ingredients."

http://www.oscarfish.com/fish-food-ingredients/137-ingredient-overview.html

"You also have to be aware of the same "wet vs. dry" concerns. An ingredient of "Kelp" or "Spinach" may be listed at their wet weight while "Dried Kelp", "Dried Spinach", or "Kelp meal" and "Spinach Meal" will be listed at their dry weight. Spirulina is only available as a dry product so regardless of how it is listed (spirunlina, dried spirulina, or spirulina meal) it's listing in the ingredient list should be accurate."

It pains me just to read some of the bogus misinformation posted on that website. And while I know that is not your intent, kmuda, the end result is a disservice to the entire aquatic community.

FYI

The last official AAFCO definition that I could find listed Algae Meal as a "coloring agent". That was/is the official definition.

For years Spirulina was not even defined by AAFCO, period. It fell under the GRAS (generally recognized as safe) designation only. Not that many years ago (2011?) I recall a State official temporarily refusing entry of a pet fish food, because it contained spirulina (gasp), which on his list was not defined as being approved by AAFCO.

Lots of AAFCO definition changes have been made over the past few years, but I no longer keep up with them.

Having said all that, one can't simply make sheet up as they go along. If you don't know for certain, don't guess. Not everything can be found on google, spend time at a real feed mill, where these foods are made, and the raw ingredients are purchased, and/or talk to the people with hands on experience, and you will come away with a far better understanding of the entire process. In your attempt to fill in the blanks, you are making many assumptions that simply aren't true or factual.
 
RD, I have over 900,000 total posts on my site. Please excuse me if I did not get one of them corrected. What you pulled up is a post inside the forum, not the article itself. The article itself was updated several years ago, as were all articles. You'll have to excuse me if I overlooked something buried inside damn near 1,000,000 forum posts.

http://www.oscarfish.com/4-star-foo...la-floating-pellets-ingredients-analysis.html

The article, and all articles referencing Spirulina, state the following:

"Spirulina is sometimes called "The Most Nutritious Food on the Planet". Rich in raw protein and seven major vitamins: A1, B1, B2, B6, B12 (one of the best natural sources for B12, although the bioavailability of its B12 is in dispute by many researchers), C and E. It naturally contains beta-carotene, color enhancing pigments, and a whole range of minerals. In addition, Spirulina has 62% amino acid content and contains all essential fatty acids and eight amino acids required for complete nutrition. It is easily digested due to the fact that Spirulina cells do not have cellulose walls. Spirulina is only available in a dry form, so regardless of how it is listed on the ingredient label (spirulina meal, dried spirulina, or spirulina), it's ordering in the ingredient list should be accurate."

If you were a bit more observant, you would have noticed the forum text you are referencing is 3 years. 3 months old. Do you think I can find any errors in anything you stated 3 years, 3 months ago?

You need to be a little less quick to judge without knowing all of the facts.

I have not updated the thread on my site because I have a real job and have not gotten over there yet to do so.
 
Right, but you seem to have plenty of time to post all this nonsense here on MFK. There is no excuse for misinformation. If you posted it, you own it, something that I learned many years ago. If you are uncertain, sit on your hands, don't attempt to BS people. That discussion (I use the term loosely) has less than 10 comments in it, most of them being from you, with the last one being just a few days ago. And it was YOU that chose to bump up that old topic, 2 weeks 1 day ago, not anyone else. I think I have all the facts straight, thanks.
 
The last post in the thread states:

the floats changed with the new label before the new labels starting in late 2014, there was Krill and Herring as the first 2 ingredients.

The sinking and thera-a say whole krill and whole fish. The ones I found did not expire until Dec 2018-Jan 2019.

So I saw no emergency to get it updated, unlike your continued attacks, which I feel more of a need to reply to. All it takes is a response from anyone that they found something they consider inaccurate. It will get changed, once further research validates it.
 
I wondered how long it would be before you played the victim card, again. As always I'm just trying to keep things real, something that there seems to be a real shortage of these days where in the absence of facts, experts abound.
 
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RD, anytime you come across something on my site you feel is inaccurate, you are more than welcome to let me know. In fact, everyone is encouraged to do so. If it is inaccurate, it will get changed. All of the bravado just gets in the way.
 
I don't generally visit your website, in this case I only felt the need after someone mentioned to me that this is where all the hoopla started. And even then I didn't bother, until you decided to join this discussion on MFK, and start referring to things such as wet weight Antarctic Krill. I guess with being so busy at work, you haven't found the time to correct that comment, on your website, either.

And if you consider the fact that "Whole Antartic Krill" is possibly listed at its pre-manufacture wet weight, Whole Wheat could actually be the first ingredient in the final product.
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And you wonder why manufacturers don't want to talk to you ......
 
Nope. Not yet. Not fully. Doing so will take several hours as I have a few hundred articles to peruse to verify I've eliminate any potential references.... and I am assuming the same will need to be accomplished for various references to plankton but am currently seeking that validation. I should have it completed by the end of this coming weekend though. It was updated in the primary "Fish Ingredients Article" sometime after your initial call-out.

"Krill is only available in its meal (dry) form, so it's location in the ingredient list should be accurate. However, there is a potential diffence between "Krill Meal" and "Whole Krill Meal" as Krill tails are sometimes processed for other use."

It's "manufacture", not plural.
 
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