Northfin

[jaws7777]

RD sent me this link earlier today and i felt obligated to repost it here since i was talking up the carnivore and jumbo fish formulas not too long ago.

Also wanted to give an update to that review. So the polys still love the carnivore formula and will eat the jumbo fish but my cichlids arent too fond of it and neither am i (pearsei will eat anything so he doesnt count) actually stopped feeding it (jumbo) a while ago. It just made a huge mess and doesnt sink as quickly as NLS. The carnivore is still a bit messy but much less than the jumbo.

As far as the ingredient issue you be the judge of it. But for me its not that big of a deal since i only sprinkle in the veggie formula (cichlids) as NLS is their staple.

Im not going to re up on the NF though, for me if they are going to lie or misrepresent their use of ethoxyquin how many other ingredients are they not being honest about. I'd rather use a product with some iffy if not bad ingredients over a product that has great ingredients but cant be trusted as to the accuracy of the ingredient list.

Im going to give the nls mega fish formula a try. They eat what i serve or dont eat at all lol. Tilapia soaked in bvc will still be their staple though.

Anyway rd explains everything in the following link

https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/northfin-food.677309/#post-7612648

Again not trying to sway anyones opinions or get into a food debate just thought i would pass the info along.

 

[Vancouver_98683]

Great info jaws about the Northfin product. The fact that the test result came back from the lab of ethoxyquin ppm levels elevated at 333 ppm is unacceptable. The link that jaw posted above explains it further. Here's an important statement made by RD regarding the potential safety concerns.

'The FDA’s Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM) at one point asked the pet food industry to voluntarily lower the maximum level of use of ethoxyquin in dog foods from 150 ppm (0.015%) to 75 ppm, as an added layer of safety. Considering the body mass/size of a fish, compared to a dog, I would think that % in fish feed should probably be even lower. At the very least, a max of 100 ppm would be a good start. Not 300+ ppm'

 

[DMD123]

In not debating anything just commenting that the formula tested was the krill gold in which is said to be made up of 85% krill. Most foods out there are said to have more grain products so that the grains will actually be in a higher percentage than that of the actual meat protein. While the krill gold sounds good on paper, my fish pretty much detest it. Yep even with a pearsei who eats anything, it does not like the krill formula.

I guess I would like to see the same test results on other fish foods we feed to really see how much ethoxyquin really is being used. How about in the raw, frozen krill in the packages? What about other company's pellets like NLS, Hikari, Omega One?

Again no debate just would like to see what we really are feeding our fish with the different brands out there.

 

[jaws7777]

I dont know the way my mind works is maybe they are lying about allot more...or a little more...or nothing more at all. But this and the combo of the mess and my love for nls means i'll be moving on

 

[Woefulrelic]

I'm very curious what the science end of north fin would say about this. Is there any scenario where northfin could pawn the ethoxyquin on ingredients they purchased prior to using? Just wondering if there is some loophole here.

RD.

 

[RD.]

There is no loop hole, either their products contain ethoxyquin, or they don't.
You can't have it both ways, and state the following:

"NorthFin Premium Fish Foods does not use any preservatives or harmful chemicals to preserve its product line.
The combination of certain ingredients/vitamins, along with the drying process itself allows the foods to be naturally preserved."


FYI ..... I saw another lab report for NF, that was not the krill formula. The lab posted ethoxyquin levels of 159 PPM for that test sample. So while not as high, in my personal opinion it is still on the high end.

Until we know more, it is probably best to limit ethoxyquin to 100 ppm, or less, in tropical fish feed. A better safe than sorry approach, in my way of thinking. See below.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2095.2008.00577.x/full


The BIG difference in my mind is this, I don't see other companies marketing their products as preservative free, or specifically stating they are ethoxyquin free, and then weighing in at 150+-300+ ppm.

Anyone can send samples to various labs in the US or Canada, and get the same info.

 

[DMD123]

Looked at the lab web site that was used to test the Northfin. If anyone is interested in testing their foods they do have a pricelist for the various tests.
http://www.balabs.com/petfood.htm

 

[PYRU]

That's still absolutely ridiculous. Bold face lie. Those ppm numbers are off the charts.

 

[RD.]

If the lab reports are accurate, I agree.

 

[RD.]

I just added a second lab report, from a different lab, to that other thread......