Not eating as much

[RD.]

So because I feel that the person in the video is giving incorrect info I am somehow taking on a condescending tone?

I don't care how carefully a syringe is slipped into the gastrointestinal tract of a fish, it is just plain stupid, and again, no DVM in their right mind would administer medication to a fish that size in such a manner. Why would they when they can do so in a much safer manner as I previously described, and be just as effective?

I mean hey, if you want to encourage others to blindly use this *mystery* medication from Bangkok that so far we have not even been given the active ingredients of, that's fine by me, but posting a link to that vid certainly didn't help your cause. The person in the vid clearly doesn't understand what he is doing when it comes to deworming a fish, so why would anyone trust his lead when it comes to treating hex/spiro?

BTW - in Bangkok most flowerhorns are a dime a dozen, which is why they are kept in such piss poor conditions & full of worms and hex when they reach the USA.

Also, I have never once stated that an epsom salt treatment is a miracle cure that will heal every sick fish on the planet. Many people on MFK have lost fish to advance stages of spironucleus when treating with various medications, even those medications that have a successful track record decades long, such as Metronidazole. It happens.

The fact remains that there are safer ways to deworm a fish, and treat prolapsed rectums, than hit them with a shotgun approach such as a general cure that treats for everything under the sun. I have stated the same thing about CLOUT for many years - I only recommend it as a last resort due to its caustic nature. Its cancer causing potential is exactly why it is banned in the State of California. What do you reckon Cali would say about your Bangkok medicine?


I'm not saying that "clear" doesn't work, I was simply questioning the information supplied by the person in the video that you linked to. I am not someone who simply nods their head so as to never potentially upset the status quo, and I'm not about to apologize for that.

 

[Source310]

The clear solution is a Last resort to fish that wont eat and is extremely malnourished.

I do a agree that the fh's overseas have been grown and kept in very poor water, some might not even show symptons

This is why I highly recommend treating imported fhs.

Start with epsom salt.
Then go to the meds if need be.

Most of the newbs fh keepers ask when its too late.

Someone please make a sticky recommending deworming, etc to imported fish.

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[Riftraft]

So because I feel that the person in the video is giving incorrect info I am somehow taking on a condescending tone?

I don't care how carefully a syringe is slipped into the gastrointestinal tract of a fish, it is just plain stupid, and again, no DVM in their right mind would administer medication to a fish that size in such a manner. Why would they when they can do so in a much safer manner as I previously described, and be just as effective?

I mean hey, if you want to encourage others to blindly use this *mystery* medication from Bangkok that so far we have not even been given the active ingredients of, that's fine by me, but posting a link to that vid certainly didn't help your cause. The person in the vid clearly doesn't understand what he is doing when it comes to deworming a fish, so why would anyone trust his lead when it comes to treating hex/spiro?

BTW - in Bangkok most flowerhorns are a dime a dozen, which is why they are kept in such piss poor conditions & full of worms and hex when they reach the USA.

Also, I have never once stated that an epsom salt treatment is a miracle cure that will heal every sick fish on the planet. Many people on MFK have lost fish to advance stages of spironucleus when treating with various medications, even those medications that have a successful track record decades long, such as Metronidazole. It happens.

The fact remains that there are safer ways to deworm a fish, and treat prolapsed rectums, than hit them with a shotgun approach such as a general cure that treats for everything under the sun. I have stated the same thing about CLOUT for many years - I only recommend it as a last resort due to its caustic nature. Its cancer causing potential is exactly why it is banned in the State of California. What do you reckon Cali would say about your Bangkok medicine?


I'm not saying that "clear" doesn't work, I was simply questioning the information supplied by the person in the video that you linked to. I am not someone who simply nods their head so as to never potentially upset the status quo, and I'm not about to apologize for that.

I most definitely wasn't looking for an apology from a person such as yourself. It's the way you come off in this thread and many others that shows me that you are condescending just incase you were unsure of how I came to that conclusion. A prime example is the fact the YOU feel he his giving incorrect information. What makes you right? Why didn't you become a DVM if you are so smart? It boggles me...

As far as the ingredients, well I haven't learned to read Thai yet, but maybe someday ill get there, so until then I guess you're right. It's a mystery medication, but I know for a fact that mystery med does the job.

Like I previously stated, you're going to do what you do when it comes to your fish and I'm gonna do what I do. Anybody can be given this information and what they do with it is up to them. I am not completely against the epsom salt solution, but when hex has reached advanced stages, it's not the solution if you would like your fish to live.

And lastly Im not too concerned about what California thinks about 'clear'. I'm just glad all my friends from there are able to use it to cure their fish.



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[RD.]

I most definitely wasn't looking for an apology from a person such as yourself. It's the way you come off in this thread and many others that shows me that you are condescending just incase you were unsure of how I came to that conclusion. A prime example is the fact the YOU feel he his giving incorrect information. What makes you right? Why didn't you become a DVM if you are so smart? It boggles me...

The way that I come off? You mean like someone that has actually been in this hobby for many, many years, and through those many years of keeping fish has learned to understand the difference between actual facts, and non factual hyperbole?

The video that you linked to is titled "Deworming Flowerhorn using 'Clear'. In that video he states; "you do this once a month to deworm". The fact is, you do not deworm a fish by treating "once a month", nor under most circumstances would one ever have to deworm a fish, beyond the initial deworming. This is exactly why I previously posted the following link, a paper written by Dr. Roy Yanong an associate professor at the U of Florida, and a certified vet.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/fa091

For intestinal nematode infections of ornamental fish, several anthelminthics (dewormers) are available. Two effective and commonly used dewormers are fenbendazole and levamisole. Fenbendazole can only be used as a feed additive at the rate of 1.14 grams per pound of food fed for three days, with a repeat treatment in two to three weeks. Levamisole can be used both in the feed and as a bath treatment. One effective oral dose is 1.8 grams of levamisole per pound of food fed once a week for three weeks. One effective bath treatment dose is 2 ppm (mg/liter) levamisole for 24 hours, with a repeat treatment in two to three weeks. However, be sure to consult with a fish health specialist before commencing any treatment and always follow their recommendations.

Maybe the Dr. is wrong too? He's only been in the fish health game for a few odd years. http://tal.ifas.ufl.edu/roy_yanong.htm

But according to this video on youtube everyone should be pumping Clear down their fishes throat every month to rid their fish of worms. Really? Gee, I bet that's not stressful to a fish. Netting it out of its tank, laying it on a towel, and pumping god only knows what down its wind pipe. I'm guessing that the "yellow pill" in the video is tetracycline, but who knows?


What boggles my mind is why people such as yourself have to take everything so damn personal, as though my taking the time to correct something (so that others don't make the same mistake) is a personal attack on ones fish keeping skills?

I've got underwear in a drawer that's older than the person giving advice in that video, yet even at my age I am willing to learn new things in this hobby all the time. That doesn't mean that I blindly believe everything that I read on fish forums, or watch on youtube.

 

[Aquanero]

This is an effective way to treat Hex.

The recommended treatment for hexamita is metronidazole (Flagyl) administered in a medicated food or, if the fish are not eating, in a bath treatment. Metronidazole can be administered orally at a dosage of 50 mg/kg body weight (or 10 mg/gm food) for 5 consecutive days. I edited out the food mixture section because the fish isn't eating so do a Metro bath. Once the fish is eating again a med acated food can be use to complete treatment if necessary.

If fish are already sick and off-feed metronidazole can be administered in a bath at a concentration of 5 mg/l (18.9 mg/gallon) every other day for three treatments. This treatment is effective but may not clear the organism from the fishes' intestinal tract as well as the medicated food.

 

[RD.]

Tom, the OP has already treated with Metro, and it didn't have any affect. The Parasite Guard that he is currently using also contains metro.

I went through two 48 hour cycles of API general cure but he seems the same. What's the next step to do?

I used general cure that has metro but made no difference that's why I wondering if he has a whole different issue

It's possible that his fish is suffering from something besides spiro/hex, or in addition to that has another issue. Impossible to say .....

 

[Riftraft]

Tom, the OP has already treated with Metro, and it didn't have any affect. The Parasite Guard that he is currently using also contains metro.






It's possible that his fish is suffering from something besides spiro/hex, or in addition to that has another issue. Impossible to say .....

If you actually took the time to read the whole thread RD, you would have realized he has not used metronidazole. Only a parasite guard that contains metro, which is not strong enough to cure hex if in fact that's what it is. Either way until we see a picture or better description of what's going on, nobody knows.

Maybe you should be less concerned about the old underwear you have in your drawers and more concerned on what's actually going on. Just a thought old timer


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[RD.]

FYI - I have used every med mentioned in this discussion to cure spironucleus vortens (actual medications listed, not just trade names with no description), which by the way is the correct term, not "hexamita". Even for an old fart I do my best to stay up with the most current science.

Parasite Guard (formerly Jungle Parasite Clear) was for many years my go to drug of choice for spironucleus infestations, before I even knew what spiro was. The trick with that particular med was catching the outbreak early.

I can't say with certainty how much Metro is in PG, because Tetra doesn't state that info on the package, but just to show how closely I have been paying attention .......... the first treatments that the OP adminstered was API General Cure, which contains 250 mg of metro, and 75 mg of Praziquantel per packet, with 1 packet treating 10 gallons of tank water. At those levels that is more than enough Metro to effectively treat spironucleus.

Anything else that I should be aware of, junior?

 

[Source310]

Hexamita goes from fishs outer surface,
Mouth,
Digestive track,
And finally the organs

This is why they say hexamita develop resistance to the drugs being administered since they don't know what stage its at

Since you say this has been going on for sometime then I would be cautious and do low treatments for a few weeks.with one week of no meds.

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[Riftraft]

FYI - I have used every med mentioned in this discussion to cure spironucleus vortens (actual medications listed, not just trade names with no description), which by the way is the correct term, not "hexamita". Even for an old fart I do my best to stay up with the most current science.

Parasite Guard (formerly Jungle Parasite Clear) was for many years my go to drug of choice for spironucleus infestations, before I even knew what spiro was. The trick with that particular med was catching the outbreak early.

I can't say with certainty how much Metro is in PG, because Tetra doesn't state that info on the package, but just to show how closely I have been paying attention .......... the first treatments that the OP adminstered was API General Cure, which contains 250 mg of metro, and 75 mg of Praziquantel per packet, with 1 packet treating 10 gallons of tank water. At those levels that is more than enough Metro to effectively treat spironucleus.

Anything else that I should be aware of, junior?

FYI-Mr. NLS poster boy, 250mg for a 48 hour period is not enough. If you are using 250mg or metronidazole for an advanced case of hex, you would need a 7-10 day treatment depending on how advanced it is.

I've been reading through some of your threads and it seems your main concern with your posts is to make certain everyone else understands that you are correct and they are wrong. I'm baffled as to why you are wondering why myself and others take it so personal? You may not think so, but you do come off as a condescending person. For some reason, I'm sure this isn't the first time you've heard such words....

Like I previously stated, you are very knowledgeable, but you are also very pompous in your answers.


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