- Nutrafin Cycle, Advice? -
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komodo182;4997211; said:
Yes you are going to kill the goldfish and not cycle your tank, seriously. Have you read the previous posts?
Also the fastest way to a cycled tank is at around 85F. I would crank the heat toss in an uncooked shrimp and wait a month.
lipadj46;4997216; said:
That would be a better option.
Pure ammonia would be the best (most rapid). I bought some just because I started up some larger fish tanks. I do not clean with it. Buy some, use it to set up the tank and then get rid of it out(contact your local water treatment plant and ask how you should do that it your area). It is very cheap.
As for babies and pure ammonia, any cleaning chemical can cause damage, so just put it where hey cannot reach it.
That goldfish is almost 6" and it has been kept in a 5 gallon tank since they got it as a baby. The guy is torturing it. At least I can give it a couple days of swimming happiness..
komodo182;4996954; said:
Both ways work. I like my way, I'll stick with it. Were talking about fish here, I've done this several times none of my fish have died dring cycling. Their fish to me, that's it.
OP seriously either get some ammonia or just get some danios or get the fish you want then use Stability.
komodo182;4997223; said:
No-joke?
I don't clean with it because it is too harsh for my baby's skin. Basically saying I don't have any at the moment.
Nutrafin reviews on other sites are all good. They have a new formula now. The nutral-bacteria are activated by the water, not drowned by it
(or so I read anyway)
I was interested in reading all this input in regards to Nutrafin Cycle, most of it is very wrong, so I will provide some accurate input to those that have asked questions in regards to this product.
Nitrifying products such as Nutrafin Cycle do contain live nitrifying aquatic bacteria that are in a dormant state. All such bacteria are really not active below 55deg. F, so dosing in cold water is of no use. Typical tropical temps are recommended for best performance. One of the advantages of using Nutrafin Cycle is the fact that it has been manufactured for over 20yrs., you are buying experience and the time it takes to refine a stabile effective product, many new entries that we find, although some of them are good product there is little time based research behind them to ensure the strains within are stabile over the long run and to apply all of the possible variables that can change, research on bacteria takes time as generations have to be evaluated in testing. Using dead organic matter or inorganic sources of ammonia as has been noted here is somewhat of a chance approach. If too much ammonia exists it can inhibit the development of the nitrifyers that convert nitrite to nitrate, not a good consequence of these methods, so dosing with ammonium chloride for example has to be done carefully and the dosage properly calculated as well as the dosage of a product like Cycle should it be used in conjunction. The fact that Cycle recommends re-dosing is simply related to the fact that the bacterial world is a predative one and one within which many other species can enter, via water changes, etc, etc...therefore to ensure predominance of the desired consortium it is recommended to re-dose to maintain and assure the bacterial flora is optimal, the comment about land based bacteria is totally incorrect. Make sure you shake the bottle well, you will see tons of particles which are actually bacteria and associate bio films. Remember Cycle took time to develop and what you buy in Nutrafin Cycle has many years of putting nitrifyers into dormancy and other situation that take generations to evaluate, its inexpensive insurance for your aquarium. So go ahead, set up your tank, add a reasonable load of fish, assure proper temp. and fitration and measure ammonia and nitrite regularly as you always should and keep feedings lean for the first few weeks.
If anyone else has questions about Cycle you are welcome to direct them to me, hope my lengthy post is read and glad to help.
Nitrifying products such as Nutrafin Cycle do contain live nitrifying aquatic bacteria that are in a dormant state. All such bacteria are really not active below 55deg. F, so dosing in cold water is of no use. Typical tropical temps are recommended for best performance. One of the advantages of using Nutrafin Cycle is the fact that it has been manufactured for over 20yrs., you are buying experience and the time it takes to refine a stabile effective product, many new entries that we find, although some of them are good product there is little time based research behind them to ensure the strains within are stabile over the long run and to apply all of the possible variables that can change, research on bacteria takes time as generations have to be evaluated in testing. Using dead organic matter or inorganic sources of ammonia as has been noted here is somewhat of a chance approach. If too much ammonia exists it can inhibit the development of the nitrifyers that convert nitrite to nitrate, not a good consequence of these methods, so dosing with ammonium chloride for example has to be done carefully and the dosage properly calculated as well as the dosage of a product like Cycle should it be used in conjunction. The fact that Cycle recommends re-dosing is simply related to the fact that the bacterial world is a predative one and one within which many other species can enter, via water changes, etc, etc...therefore to ensure predominance of the desired consortium it is recommended to re-dose to maintain and assure the bacterial flora is optimal, the comment about land based bacteria is totally incorrect. Make sure you shake the bottle well, you will see tons of particles which are actually bacteria and associate bio films. Remember Cycle took time to develop and what you buy in Nutrafin Cycle has many years of putting nitrifyers into dormancy and other situation that take generations to evaluate, its inexpensive insurance for your aquarium. So go ahead, set up your tank, add a reasonable load of fish, assure proper temp. and fitration and measure ammonia and nitrite regularly as you always should and keep feedings lean for the first few weeks.
If anyone else has questions about Cycle you are welcome to direct them to me, hope my lengthy post is read and glad to help.
