Nope not really, any particles left over are gone in a matter of minutes in my setup. Can cut the pieces smaller to avoid it, but I don't mind it.
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I have issues and I cut all food to bite size pieces...guess I am just powerfeeding.
Filtration is totally overkill on my system as well, but still looking to add more.
Filtration is totally overkill on my system as well, but still looking to add more.
So if you fed your p's goldies, and then dosed the whole tank with Vitachem, you'd be ok? I've steered clear of feeders for quite a long time, but it does get the kids attention.
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No, because fish do not have the ability to absorb all of those vitamins & minerals from the water.
Makes sense.
Thiaminase I think is overplayed...it has been shown to be an "evolutionary arms race" between plants and some insects but the relationship (and reason for its presence) in fish is mostly unknown.
It seems that levels have to be very high and the diet must be restricted mostly to those things for it to have a negative effect.
We suggest steering clear of it for safetys sake mostly I think, and a feeder diet has many drawbacks aside from thiaminase.
I think that feeding a few safe live fish would be okay, provided it was part of a balanced diet that was high in the other vitamin D's.
Although I dont plan on feeding anything other than home grown guppies and convicts (as far as feeder treats go), Im still planning on soaking with vitachem that has multiple B vitamins in it, just to be safe.
Thiaminase I think is overplayed...it has been shown to be an "evolutionary arms race" between plants and some insects but the relationship (and reason for its presence) in fish is mostly unknown.
It seems that levels have to be very high and the diet must be restricted mostly to those things for it to have a negative effect.
We suggest steering clear of it for safetys sake mostly I think, and a feeder diet has many drawbacks aside from thiaminase.
I think that feeding a few safe live fish would be okay, provided it was part of a balanced diet that was high in the other vitamin D's.
Although I dont plan on feeding anything other than home grown guppies and convicts (as far as feeder treats go), Im still planning on soaking with vitachem that has multiple B vitamins in it, just to be safe.
The problem is that most (all?) of the research in this area involves commercial fisheries, and species such as salmon, trout, etc, not warm water tropical ornamental species of fish such as most hobbyists are keeping in their tanks. So for the most part we really don't know what the exact causes, or how much thiaminase activity can trigger those causes, really is. So yes, for safeties sake when feeding a diet that may contain significant amounts of this enzyme it's probably a good idea to supplement with B1.
i always believed variety was best, and feed my rhom anything and everything out of the water. my buddy works at a fish company and i always have a free supply of odd fish. he will eat anything including, shrimp, tilapia, squid, octopus, scallops, clams, salmon, tuna and 100 other types of fish fillet. only feeder i use he LOVES crays, and lfs gives me cichlids all the time that dont sell. he also ate 6 huge trapdoor snails. idk but my guess would be in the wild they are similar to a bull shark just eating anything they can choke down and with powerful jaws there isnt much they cabt grab a bite of.
Very interested to see how my RB's react to snails and crayfish once I have a chance to get some in the tank when the water warms up.
Think it should be quite the show.
Think it should be quite the show.
I wrote the piranha nutrition thread based on the best information and prevailing opinions in the hobby at that time. If there's new information that I wasn't aware of at the time then I would of course have to amend my position on pellets.
However, I would like to see an analysis of the thiaminase content of the most popular commercial food brands. Also, there are other reasons to feed your piranhas a diet based on commercial/frozen foods of known source as opposed to live foods. Parasites, diseases, costs, convenience, water quality etc. being among those reasons.
Anecdotally,the healthiest piranhas I have personally seen were fed a diet based on pellets/frozen, and the unhealthiest I have seen have been raised on live foods.
Could the effects of thiaminase on fish health have been somewhat exaggerated at the time the post was written? sure. I still think a diet based on pellets/frozen is the healthiest one for the fish. I hope that the fact that there may be some thiaminase content in commercial fish foods will not lead people new to the hobby to justify their unhealthy choices for their fish diets. I understand what your saying, but I think muddying the waters will only lead to more fish living on rosey reds and pinkies.
I don't keep piranhas anymore, so I haven't chimed in because I haven't visited MFK in quite some time. I'm still glad that some people find that sticky a useful guideline for establishing a healthy diet for their pets. It's up to you guys (piranha keepers) to seek the most current information regarding "best practice" in piranha keeping.
However, I would like to see an analysis of the thiaminase content of the most popular commercial food brands. Also, there are other reasons to feed your piranhas a diet based on commercial/frozen foods of known source as opposed to live foods. Parasites, diseases, costs, convenience, water quality etc. being among those reasons.
Anecdotally,the healthiest piranhas I have personally seen were fed a diet based on pellets/frozen, and the unhealthiest I have seen have been raised on live foods.
Could the effects of thiaminase on fish health have been somewhat exaggerated at the time the post was written? sure. I still think a diet based on pellets/frozen is the healthiest one for the fish. I hope that the fact that there may be some thiaminase content in commercial fish foods will not lead people new to the hobby to justify their unhealthy choices for their fish diets. I understand what your saying, but I think muddying the waters will only lead to more fish living on rosey reds and pinkies.
I don't keep piranhas anymore, so I haven't chimed in because I haven't visited MFK in quite some time. I'm still glad that some people find that sticky a useful guideline for establishing a healthy diet for their pets. It's up to you guys (piranha keepers) to seek the most current information regarding "best practice" in piranha keeping.
