Observation: Get off your high horses

[dovii88]

No one needs to get up off their high horses. You need to take the response of other people and justify that you know how big the fish get and you have an exit plan when that said fish is getting big. This will happen on any forum when you say you bought 3 dovii for a 55g. The people here are experianced keepers and not mindless drones that speak one word responses of "Awesome" "great pickup!" when there's an underlying issue that they think needs to be said.

First off. I don't need to justify any of my actions to anybody. Okay. Opinions are like buttholes, everybody has one. Your opinion is that he needs a larger tank immediately, mine is that the fish will do just fine in 55 gallon until they outgrow it. We're also "experienced" fish keepers. You seem to make the justification that an experienced fish keeper would always have the right size tank for the fish right when they buy it. The underlying issue seems to be the same. Without knowing anything about our situation, the same message is that our tanks are not right for the fish, and it's doomed unless it has a 300 gallon tank as a baby.

If you have a large enough tank for the fish and then pick them up then you will hear nothing but great things. But you are hearing the questioning of tank size simply because most people buy fish and then have an exit strategy of "I'll upgrade later or give them back to the lfs" which the later, isn't exactly a great plan.

Why isn't that a great plan. What's wrong about purchasing a small rtc and placing him in your tank until it reaches a reasonable size, then selling it back to the pet store? Who are you to say that's right or wrong. I consider that being on your little high horse where it's either your way or the high way. Where there's only one option to do things. Guess what, it doesn't work that way.

I have no problem with growout tanks but alot of members live the life of "don't buy the fish if you don't already own the tank that's big enough" Which is probably a great thing to get into the habit in. And It seems every fishkeeper under the age of 18 around here likes to band together and "fight the good fight" saying everyone else is wrong for voicing an opinion or some advice.

When did I ever say you or anybody else was wrong? Not once did we say a Dovii shouldn't go in a large tank, 180 gallons plus. What I am saying, is that a 2 inch dovii in a 55 gallon tank, is not animal abuse as some of you would put it. Not every has the fortune of having a few 180 gallon tanks lying around, and there is certainly nothing wrong with a grow out tank. As a lot of you should know, we're building a larger tank, because we KNOW that these fish require larger tanks, and we're doing our best to supply them with a good setup, which doesn't seem to be good enough for most of you. That's why we don't care about your opinion. Because it's repetitive and doesn't help us at all. You "old" people think you know everything and how everything must be done, and get into the habit of degrading and belittling us just because we're "under the age of 18".

There is a difference between "grow out tank" and "I'm young and this 55g is all I can afford so it'll have to do"

No there isn't. A 55 gallon tank is a pretty bad ass grow out tank if you ask me.

 

[Oddball]

Oh, Lord! Not again!! One of these threads is more than enough of a Christmas present for me.

Would it be asking for the moon if I request that everyone remain civil in this one?

 

[cichlaguapote]

1.) 55g tank, not really a "badass grow out tank"

2.)The problem with buying fish only to grow them out and sell them back is. Well what happens when everyone does this? It creates a high demand for small fish and an overstock of 3ft rtc's without homes or other large fish. Fishkeeping is not buying a fish posting a message "Look at my new pickup" reaping all the excitment and then selling that fish in 6 months when it's too big and repeating over and over.

3.) Things are not "my way or the high way" my reasoning is "think before you buy, be reasonable with what you can house long term" There is always more than one way to skin a cat, just make sure it's a reasonably thought out way.

4.) You don't need to justify your actions to anyone. You're right but if you would like to stay away from justifying your actions than don't post that you just bought fish for a "growout tank" and expect no one to ask questions. If you have a reasonable response then I wouldn't expect people to jump all over you.

5.) I never said you needed a 300g. A solo Dovii would be fine in a 180g. I would be fine if I just saw people doing this have a commitment to get a larger tank with in a reasonable amount of time. Again there are people who believe "Buy the tank before the fish because life happens", I'm not one of them because someone who is looked up to by many people once said the same thing to me and it's not a rule that needs to be pressed to everyone(esp those who are commited to that fish) but upgrade soon if you know you bought a fish that gets too big for your tank.

6.) And most importantly if you don't want to respect every member of this forums opinion then I would suggest you not post any info that's arguable so you don't have to hear these comments. This is a public forum and yes there are varying opinions. Be mature and respect others opinions whether you like them or not.

 

[dovii88]

Oh, Lord! Not again!! One of these threads is more than enough of a Christmas present for me.

Would it be asking for the moon if I request that everyone remain civil in this one?

I assure I won't do any flaming. I just want to bring it to the attention of "those" that they need not tell us we need a bigger tank 10 times in a thread of 15 responses. That's not asking for too much.

 

[RadleyMiller]

Ok guys, I hate getting flamed or reading people getting flamed so let me just say in the defense of everyone here, we don't know everything about everyone here but we do know our fish. Our suggestions are to help out the owner to prevent a future problem and keep the fish as healthy as possible. Not everyone can afford to set up many huge tanks all the time, but they can atleast afford to have a proper set up for the fish for two months IMO. On these forums, we are not speaking to each other, so we don't know the tone of everyone's speech so communication is a little hard. I don't think people are snobby here, they try to get thier point across and sometimes it doesn't come out the way they would like.


BTW, I'm 17!

 

[dovii88]

If 55 gallons isn't an incredible grow out tank, then what is? I'm curious to know. I don't know of any 2 inch fish that feel clustered in a 55.

 

[Gr8KarmaSF]

 

[big train]

I don't ride the high horse but i do like to stir the pot and give my 2 cents so when i see some flames going i just join in it's blood in the water.I know this is a bad practice and unproductive but it's easy to get caught up in it i am glad that the mods intervien and delete all that crap or we would be up to our eyes in it.What it all comes down to is 3 things 1 your general knowledge of fish keeping 2 your finicial ability and 3 your dedication to your fish[ time].These 3 things will be different for all people making for all these different view points of fish keeping and what works for 1 member may not work for u.

 

[fishnutham]

If 55 gallons isn't an incredible grow out tank, then what is? I'm curious to know. I don't know of any 2 inch fish that feel clustered in a 55.

was thinking the same thing myself if that were the case fish would be a lot cheaper because the lfs would be screwed and would have to keep fry only..

 

[Mourinho18]

.What it all comes down to is 3 things 1 your general knowledge of fish keeping 2 your financial ability and 3 your dedication to your fish[ time].These 3 things will be different for all people making for all these different view points of fish keeping and what works for 1 member may not work for u.

That's an excellent point. Which brings me to the underlying problem. People on here are making these statements, ie that tank isn't big enough, without knowing ANYTHING about the person who has the fish. I hate to keep using my friend as an example, but he's a very good example. He has a few fish in his 55. They're all babies, pretty much. His tanks are not overstocked now. He knows it would be stocked when they're full grown.

He's very knowledgeable of fish
Not a great financial situation, but reasonable
He's very dedicated to his fish

It seems that a lot of people are making assumptions about somebody before they know everything, which is why I call them the people that ride their high horse.