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I didn’t see where they stated, older. But they did note the breed (shocker) and; “They reportedly told authorities that the pit bull had shown aggression toward their other dogs, but never toward any people.”
An untrained, or at least poorly trained, aggressive dog, with genetics that have the potential to cause serious bodily harm, kept around infants.
Just another classic example of why the vast majority of folks should not own breeds with the potential for this kind of aggression. Maybe get a new gold chain, or a tattoo, or a sports car?
An untrained, or at least poorly trained, aggressive dog, with genetics that have the potential to cause serious bodily harm, kept around infants.
Just another classic example of why the vast majority of folks should not own breeds with the potential for this kind of aggression. Maybe get a new gold chain, or a tattoo, or a sports car?
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I was looking at some you tube videos recently of usually extremely volatile breeds of dogs acting all cute and cuddly around babies and toddlers. Yes, they can play nice.
But in some instances if you upset the dogs settled family dynamic by adding a new born baby to the equation, it can literally be a coin toss as to how that dog will react to no longer being the centre of attention.
But in some instances if you upset the dogs settled family dynamic by adding a new born baby to the equation, it can literally be a coin toss as to how that dog will react to no longer being the centre of attention.
Hello; I also have seen such images. I suppose we are fortunate such attacks do not happen with all individual dogs, the attacks which happen are too much as it is.
I've never believed the hype surrounding the pit breeds. I think that all dogs have the potential for violent behaviour; any carnivore does, almost by definition. I also firmly believe that the vast majority of "bad" dogs are made that way by "bad" owners.
I myself have owned a pit-bull-type dog, but Sheba was a rescue and was not chosen because of her breed. That dog was the best dog I have ever had...just like all the others!...and she was calm, docile and friendly, even towards other animals. She was rescued as a newly-weaned pup and was always carefully socialized and trained. She was completely trustworthy...and even so, I would not leave her alone with a newborn or infant. She was a wonderful dog...but she was still a dog. She never gave me cause to doubt her, and I in turn did not place her in situations where her basic instincts and nature would tempt fate.
I try not to pigeonhole people I don't know, based upon appearance, but...a drive through some neighbourhoods in some towns seems to reveal that a disproportionate number of people who own pit breeds walk, talk, dress and act as though they want to impress the world with how tough they are, and the dog has been selected as an accessory towards that end. Talk about a recipe for disaster...
I myself have owned a pit-bull-type dog, but Sheba was a rescue and was not chosen because of her breed. That dog was the best dog I have ever had...just like all the others!...and she was calm, docile and friendly, even towards other animals. She was rescued as a newly-weaned pup and was always carefully socialized and trained. She was completely trustworthy...and even so, I would not leave her alone with a newborn or infant. She was a wonderful dog...but she was still a dog. She never gave me cause to doubt her, and I in turn did not place her in situations where her basic instincts and nature would tempt fate.
I try not to pigeonhole people I don't know, based upon appearance, but...a drive through some neighbourhoods in some towns seems to reveal that a disproportionate number of people who own pit breeds walk, talk, dress and act as though they want to impress the world with how tough they are, and the dog has been selected as an accessory towards that end. Talk about a recipe for disaster...
Hello; Two points I disagree with. One being a dogs owner somehow determines a dog's personality or traits. The other along the same line of reasoning being it is well known dogs are not homogenous (all the same to put it another way). I do not know all the breeds but do know the distinct breeds have known traits. All that selective breeding had outcomes beyond physical characteristics.
I will concede that many, if not most, owners do not train their dogs well. A layer of good training and diligence by owners can mitigate poor dog behavior. I can give personal examples both ways. The training question has some sidetracks so for now my comments focus on the typical house pet with littlwe or no formal training.
My contention being the dog will have a personality all it's own. I do not know why the dog in the current story decided to attack a small toddler. Regardless the dog did so. A relevant thing being that pit bull type breed is known to be responsible for around 50% of fatal maulings according to at least one major study. Actually I think it is 54% but my recall may be off.
I and my neighbors have been dealing with a bothersome dog for going on two years now. I knew the dog as a pup and was never in any way mean or cruel to it. The owners are not mean to the dog. They just did not train it to come when called. When it ( an australian shephard) approached a year old it started coming onto my property and trying to bite me on the back of my legs. Not a go for the throat pit bull but a dog bite is still a dog bite. Not jsu me but also most anyone in the neighborhood. Owners let it run loose for a long time. After several calls to the law they are keeping it home more.
Pitt bulls are different same as other dog breeds have their own traits.
I didn't say that all dogs have the same personality; the different breeds all have their own quirks, and even individuals within a breed cover a wide range of personality types.
But...all dogs are trainable. Some breeds, and some individuals, are easier to train, some are more difficult, but all can be taught to behave in a safe manner. Sadly, one of my father's favourite expressions ("in order to train a dog, you have to be just a little bit smarter than the dog"
) often manifests itself in people who are too lazy to bother training a dog, or not smart enough, or both...but they still have 'em.
When some wannabe tough-guy a-hole gets himself a Pit Bull or Doberman or Rottweiler...because they're bad-ass dogs, don't ya know...and then does nothing to train it, or worse yet trains it to be an antisocial hairtriggered moron much like himself, trouble is inevitable. That's not the dog's fault; that potential exists in all dogs, and in all people...and must be tempered and controlled by training.
We will likely see more and more breed-specific legislation, which IMHO will simply force these people to move to other breeds, which they will treat the same way and which will be ruined in the same fashion. Keep in mind that when dog-fighting was in its barbarous heyday, one of the prerequisites for a PitBull was that the dog allowed a human to stop a fight by wading in and manually separating the animals, without biting the person. The breed's aggressive tendencies were intended to be directed towards other dogs, and specifically not people.
Let's face it: we live in a day and age when everybody wants everything to be 100% safe and worry-free, with the gummint protecting us from ourselves at every turn. If dogs had never been domesticated by our ancestors, and some enterprising individual were to suggest today that we take a highly-intelligent pack-hunting aggressive carnivore...and raise it in our homes with our families as a pet or companion...they'd throw him in jail.
I dunno; today, if you want to drive a motor vehicle, or fly a plane, or practice medicine, or charge for almost any professional services you are required to have training and certification. But anybody...anybody...can have a dog (or a kid), and many pet owners and parents prove to be shockingly incapable of performing those roles in an intelligent and safe manner.
But...all dogs are trainable. Some breeds, and some individuals, are easier to train, some are more difficult, but all can be taught to behave in a safe manner. Sadly, one of my father's favourite expressions ("in order to train a dog, you have to be just a little bit smarter than the dog"
) often manifests itself in people who are too lazy to bother training a dog, or not smart enough, or both...but they still have 'em.When some wannabe tough-guy a-hole gets himself a Pit Bull or Doberman or Rottweiler...because they're bad-ass dogs, don't ya know...and then does nothing to train it, or worse yet trains it to be an antisocial hairtriggered moron much like himself, trouble is inevitable. That's not the dog's fault; that potential exists in all dogs, and in all people...and must be tempered and controlled by training.
We will likely see more and more breed-specific legislation, which IMHO will simply force these people to move to other breeds, which they will treat the same way and which will be ruined in the same fashion. Keep in mind that when dog-fighting was in its barbarous heyday, one of the prerequisites for a PitBull was that the dog allowed a human to stop a fight by wading in and manually separating the animals, without biting the person. The breed's aggressive tendencies were intended to be directed towards other dogs, and specifically not people.
Let's face it: we live in a day and age when everybody wants everything to be 100% safe and worry-free, with the gummint protecting us from ourselves at every turn. If dogs had never been domesticated by our ancestors, and some enterprising individual were to suggest today that we take a highly-intelligent pack-hunting aggressive carnivore...and raise it in our homes with our families as a pet or companion...they'd throw him in jail.
I dunno; today, if you want to drive a motor vehicle, or fly a plane, or practice medicine, or charge for almost any professional services you are required to have training and certification. But anybody...anybody...can have a dog (or a kid), and many pet owners and parents prove to be shockingly incapable of performing those roles in an intelligent and safe manner.
I love dogs, all dogs, all breeds. Having said that, the hype surrounding pits is well deserved, and clearly well earned. How cannot it not be? As stated previously, this breed leads the pack in violent and often times deadly attacks, on both humans, and other dogs. They were bred to fight other dogs, and with all fighting breeds they will never fit into society the same way that a Labrador Retriever will.
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Not the dogs fault, human designed traits, all for the lust for violence and blood. I love pits, never owned one, but known a handful of folks over the years who have, or still do. Out of that handful of pits - one female pit crushed the skull of a small Maltese cross at the local dog park. Dog was KIA in front of its horrified senior owner. Owner of the Pitt worked in same facility as I do. He was fined 2K. Dog went back to breeder, or so I was told. Owner replaced her with another Ptt a few months later.
Another one of those handful of pits, also attacked a small white fluff ball of a dog when the owner and I were out camping in a public park out in the west country. This was close to 50 yrs ago. Had I not been lightning fast and only a few leaps away, that little dog would have also been KIA. Its only mistake was walking by with its owner. Loved that dog, first pit in these parts, imported from the US. But he was no lap dog, and no social butterfly. Man’s best friend, everything else could F off.
I’ve known quite a few other dog owners over the years, and myself owned several dogs. Outside of those two Pitts, I can’t think of a single other instance of one of my dogs, or any of the other scores of dogs I have personally known or been around in the past 60+ yrs, outright killing another dog.
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Not the dogs fault, human designed traits, all for the lust for violence and blood. I love pits, never owned one, but known a handful of folks over the years who have, or still do. Out of that handful of pits - one female pit crushed the skull of a small Maltese cross at the local dog park. Dog was KIA in front of its horrified senior owner. Owner of the Pitt worked in same facility as I do. He was fined 2K. Dog went back to breeder, or so I was told. Owner replaced her with another Ptt a few months later.
Another one of those handful of pits, also attacked a small white fluff ball of a dog when the owner and I were out camping in a public park out in the west country. This was close to 50 yrs ago. Had I not been lightning fast and only a few leaps away, that little dog would have also been KIA. Its only mistake was walking by with its owner. Loved that dog, first pit in these parts, imported from the US. But he was no lap dog, and no social butterfly. Man’s best friend, everything else could F off.
I’ve known quite a few other dog owners over the years, and myself owned several dogs. Outside of those two Pitts, I can’t think of a single other instance of one of my dogs, or any of the other scores of dogs I have personally known or been around in the past 60+ yrs, outright killing another dog.
