Ohio Cichlid Association Hybrid Show Class

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I disagree...you'd be suprised at how accepting most folks in my local club (Capital Cichlid Association) are to those who keep flowerhorns and other hybrids. There's probably great tension over those into new world and old world cichlids :)

I personally wouldn't be interested in joining a FH only club, because I don't keep them. I also wouldn't be interested in joining a peacock bass club (don't keep those either). That said, I think it's better to have a single, unified club than a bunch of splinters. We're all cichlidiots. And the only way to learn is to be exposed to different things.

I think that "traditional" cichlid clubs are writing their obituaries by not welcoming those who keep flowerhorns. Compare the participation in clubs / shows vs. back in the day... or better yet to this: http://www.aquarama.com.sg/

VittleKing;3148936; said:
Dude, it's never going to happen. Only way this will happen is if we get a FH assoc. started.
 
I'll be honest, I'm a little bumbed that the discussion was ju8st thrown off the table.

The problem I see with hybrids is the fry getting into mainstream as pure. Weather they get there on purpose or by someones ignorance really doesn't matter. As for flowerhorns, there's really no mistaking a FH for something else... That's why I thought it was a great idea...
 
dogofwar;3149932; said:
I disagree...you'd be suprised at how accepting most folks in my local club (Capital Cichlid Association) are to those who keep flowerhorns and other hybrids. There's probably great tension over those into new world and old world cichlids :)

I personally wouldn't be interested in joining a FH only club, because I don't keep them. I also wouldn't be interested in joining a peacock bass club (don't keep those either). That said, I think it's better to have a single, unified club than a bunch of splinters. We're all cichlidiots. And the only way to learn is to be exposed to different things.

I think that "traditional" cichlid clubs are writing their obituaries by not welcoming those who keep flowerhorns. Compare the participation in clubs / shows vs. back in the day... or better yet to this: http://www.aquarama.com.sg/


Good points. I also wouldn't want to belong to a club that overwhelmingly was comprised of people who publically hated one type of fish, enough to run a campaign on it, it's almost comparable and immaturity wise like hating one type of person.

TheFishGuy;3151289; said:
I'll be honest, I'm a little bumbed that the discussion was ju8st thrown off the table.

The problem I see with hybrids is the fry getting into mainstream as pure. Weather they get there on purpose or by someones ignorance really doesn't matter. As for flowerhorns, there's really no mistaking a FH for something else... That's why I thought it was a great idea...

As with everything it's more responsible to try to inform/teach awareness then outright just teaching that they are bad or an abomination. We have to be realistic. All the hate in the world isn't going to get rid of FH's/hybrids. Teaching responsible practices, is the only thing that's really going to benefit mis-identification.

Heck I bet alot of members of cichlid clubs probably have or have owned a red devil bought at a pet shop anyways. Which before the wild availability that started a 2-3 years ago most were red devil x midas hybrids.
 
With the exception of trimacs, I also agree that the "passed off as pure" risk is minimal with flowerhorns.

It's certainly much, much lower risk than say the risk of mis-labeled or incorrectly labeled "pure" peacocks or lots of other "pure" cichlids.

Flowerhorns and other "intentional" hybrids (OB peacocks, Firefish, parrots, etc.) were developed - on purpose - to look different than "pure" species.

Unfortunately, in "traditional" cichlid circles, the most common reaction to "hybrid" discussions is to either parrot half-truths and myths or completely turn off for fear of confrontation / drama.

The other reaction is to use hair-splitting definitions to justify how ornamental cichlids like line bred peacocks, EBJD, fancy discus and angels, "triple red" apistos, etc. are a COMPLETELY different situation than flowerhorns. Because, of course, cross

I've come 180 degrees on the issue as a result of spending time with those who are into flowerhorns and rationally examining - and busting - the myths surrounding them.

The bottom line is that there are both responsible and irresponsible, ethical and unethical people who keep, breed, and sell both wild-type and hybrid cichlids. And a lot of good people who keep both. Some in traditional cichlids circles are "in the closet" with regard to them. Others have emerged. ;)

Cichlidiots of all stripes have a lot more in common than different. Sadly, some just want to focus on differences.

The more people ask, "Why divide us?"...the better!

Matt


TheFishGuy;3151289; said:
I'll be honest, I'm a little bumbed that the discussion was ju8st thrown off the table.

The problem I see with hybrids is the fry getting into mainstream as pure. Weather they get there on purpose or by someones ignorance really doesn't matter. As for flowerhorns, there's really no mistaking a FH for something else... That's why I thought it was a great idea...
 
I'm with you, Dude... :headbang2
A decade of ACA being "against" flowerhorns has resulted in...fewer ACA members, smaller conventions, and flowerhorns being more popular and widely kept than ever. A really successful campaign.

"Teaching responsible practices, is the only thing that's really going to benefit mis-identification."

I couldn't agree more. And, if the perceived problem is that those who keep flowerhorns are irresponsible, is it better to welcome and teach or ostracize and point fingers?

"Heck I bet alot of members of cichlid clubs probably have or have owned a red devil bought at a pet shop anyways. Which before the wild availability that started a 2-3 years ago most were red devil x midas hybrids."

There's too much hypocracy to analyze rationally. Thus the "this is too incendiary to discuss" attitudes that pervade.
 
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