OK, so Im looking at Reeflo Pumps for my 265...

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cchhcc;2714529; said:
Capefear, if you don't have a pressure filter in-line somewhere in your system, you can use the head restriction chart for each pump type to determine your needs. It doesn't make sense to get a pump that you will have to valve down a lot. How big are your drains? A Dart may be too big by itself, much less a Hammerhead.

The drains on the overflows where the water goes in at the top of the tank are about 4x4 inches. The drains at the bottom of the overflow are 1 inch as well as the connections to the pump...1 inch.

I know the Hammerhead will be too much. I was looking at the barracuda which was 4500 gPH, but thats because I was looking for a lot of turnover.

The dart is 3600 but less at the 5 ft head range...

Having typed all this, it sounds like the Dart would be sufficient. Or do you think that with 1 inch drains, the Dart would be too much?

Also, the Dart specs say its made for 100-200 gallon aquariums, thats why I started looking at something stronger.
 
i have the dart on my 265 same tank corner overflows with 55 wet/wet dry works great
had to add extra durso pipe so I could run pump all the way open
 
With 1" drains (you always measure at the smallest point), you can drain 600 gph per drain maximum, so your pump shouldn't be any stronger than 1200 gph actual flow (i.e. real flow after factoring in head resistance). In a normal setup where the pump just returns the water straight up to the tank, factor about 5 feet of head. Also, if you reduce the size of the return pipe from what a given pump is setup for you will further reduce flow. With a resistance of 6'-9' of head, you will get about 1200-1700 gph flow from a Reeflo Snapper. The Dart would flow even faster (which you cannot utilize with two 1" drains).

Simply put, you need a pump that in actual use (head factored in) pumps about 1200 gph of water since that's all the water you can drain to the sump per hour. You can valve any pump down on the return side of the pump (just put a ball valve in the return line). So, it makes no sense to spend more $ for gph you can't use!

By the way, the "made for ____ gallon tanks" recommendation is almost useless unless they know exactly what you are using it for. Most of the Reeflo recommendations are regarding closed loop designs where the pump serves no purpose in filtration -- it just provides flow. One large drain (2" usually) goes straight to the pump, and the water is returned right back to the tank. That is of use in reef systems where tidal action and extremely high water flow is needed. A freshwater tank doesn't have the same requirement of flow, and you don't have to be anywhere near 10x per hour for biological filtration (some would tell you the slower the better for bio).
 
cchhcc;2715030; said:
With 1" drains (you always measure at the smallest point), you can drain 600 gph per drain maximum, so your pump shouldn't be any stronger than 1200 gph actual flow (i.e. real flow after factoring in head resistance). In a normal setup where the pump just returns the water straight up to the tank, factor about 5 feet of head. Also, if you reduce the size of the return pipe from what a given pump is setup for you will further reduce flow. With a resistance of 6'-9' of head, you will get about 1200-1700 gph flow from a Reeflo Snapper. The Dart would flow even faster (which you cannot utilize with two 1" drains).

Simply put, you need a pump that in actual use (head factored in) pumps about 1200 gph of water since that's all the water you can drain to the sump per hour. You can valve any pump down on the return side of the pump (just put a ball valve in the return line). So, it makes no sense to spend more $ for gph you can't use!

By the way, the "made for ____ gallon tanks" recommendation is almost useless unless they know exactly what you are using it for. Most of the Reeflo recommendations are regarding closed loop designs where the pump serves no purpose in filtration -- it just provides flow. One large drain (2" usually) goes straight to the pump, and the water is returned right back to the tank. That is of use in reef systems where tidal action and extremely high water flow is needed. A freshwater tank doesn't have the same requirement of flow, and you don't have to be anywhere near 10x per hour for biological filtration (some would tell you the slower the better for bio).

Mine is setup to just return the water to the tank like you described, with a 5' head.

So I just measured a replacement bulkhead I have and it has a 1 1/4 inch drain. By your quote of GPH for the drains, with 1 1/4 drains I can do 1500 GPH pump after the head and that should work, right?

Im looking at a coralife model that does 1278 before the 5' head, with the fact that you said some might say the slower the better for bio. That kind of makes sense.

If that will be sufficient, that will be my best bet because its at Fosters and Smith and they are crediting me $$ back for the pump that burned out on me.

Thanks for all that info. That clears up a WHOLE LOT while viewing the flow charts now.
 
I got the cuda for my 240 im setting up. I want around 2000 gph total coming out of at least four 3/4" loc lines. This way I would be able to minimize deadspots and keep the trash from sitting on top of the sand. I wanted a pump that I knew should be able to hit my goal...and with these pumps its ok to cut it back...it lowers the power consumtion too. Take a look at what the reflos draw in power vs other pumps...I found them to have low draw....on your power bill. So I am shooting for the 2k mark and if I need/can I will T off the return through a UV I have...
 
NOLAGT;2715348; said:
I got the cuda for my 240 im setting up. I want around 2000 gph total coming out of at least four 3/4" loc lines. This way I would be able to minimize deadspots and keep the trash from sitting on top of the sand. I wanted a pump that I knew should be able to hit my goal...and with these pumps its ok to cut it back...it lowers the power consumtion too. Take a look at what the reflos draw in power vs other pumps...I found them to have low draw....on your power bill. So I am shooting for the 2k mark and if I need/can I will T off the return through a UV I have...

Nice! Keep us updated on how that works for you. Sounds like a well thought out plan.
 
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