One big flaw in MFK... availability

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Hate to say it man, but like every other kind of collector, oddball hobbyists strive for the most unusual and rare oddballs that nobody else has. Years ago when things like jumbo rhoms/manueli, Goslinea platynema, certain cichlids and other such fish were near impossible to get (or if they did show up they were shipped straight to Japan/Europe) they were at the top of everyone's collecting list. Fast forward to today when the majority of the above is available and suddenly they're out of the spotlight and nobody really cares anymore - sure they're nice and all but they're not *special* like they were before. Demand has gone down for them. It IS the same way with cars. Nobody's denying a Ferrari F430 is a nice car, but its high production numbers doom it to a large depreciation curve just like its predecessors, whereas other lower production f cars like the 333sp, F40 LM, F50 GT1 continue to appreciate.

What does the living organism argument have to do with anything? As long as there are stable populations in the wild then there's no worry, correct? Collectors will be collectors, that's all.

As for that, majority of these oddball predators would not present a solution to the lfs problem. One of my LFS has carried Charax gibbosus several times and they start off in one of the more noticeable tanks, where they fail to sell. Then they get moved to the corner tanks where nobody sees them, they're either underfed or bought off slowly one by one. An LFS has to turn a profit by selling fish that people want. The Charax eventually do sell, but at a fraction of the speed a tank of dollar sized oscars would have. The reason these small predators are so hard to find in the pet trade is because there isn't a significant demand for them. If they were documented in older aquarium books, you can assume they were likely available in the past, and their absence now would mean that there wasn't enough demand to keep them in the pet trade. Things like big oscars, clown knives, giant gouramis, pacus, etc. have much greater appeal to a larger audience than some drab little tetras that swim kinda funny. You have to understand that we (oddball fish keepers) represent a TINY almost insignificant fraction of the people that walk in and out of an LFS everyday. The fish are called oddballs for a reason.


Retuks;3473233; said:
that is what i meant. but unlike cars, mini monsters - i believe - are a NECESSITY and rarity of these would-be great alternatives are a shame. if fish like charax gibbosus played a MUCH bigger roll in every LFS, it would deal a big hammerblow against oversize fish keeping. but we need to first admit this problem ONLY happens with us; once new fishkeepers who want to buy "monster" fish for our 20 gallon tanks in the first place and the stores only have pacu, knives, and oscars. And you don't need me to tell you the amount of people who want kickass fish of this nature spands 100X over the population on MFK. even more if you count the one-time buyers who end up killing their pets and loosing interest.

Once you put living organisms into the equation, it is at this point that i CANNOT agree with all of you saying "so what, leave it rare because it makes us feel better to have these fish" when the availability of that fish (and many others) can fulfill a nitch while preventing mortal mistakes. And you treat them like baseball cards and WANT to hoard them away for nobody else's needs but your own?
 
I still do not understand why you are still blabbing about how hard it is for you to obtain rare fish.. It's right in front of you..
 
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The average consumer would still get the big fish I think. Thats part of the whole equation, they want something impressive and think it will be fine because it will stop growing when it fills their tank and looks "Shweet".
 
Thalan;3474375; said:
The average consumer would still get the big fish I think. Thats part of the whole equation, they want something impressive and think it will be fine because it will stop growing when it fills their tank and looks "Shweet".

i suppose i agree with this.

and yah yah sure, i found my fish. but no actual business talk yet from pedro or massive so even though its "right infront of me" aka 3k miles south east of me, i still haven't gotten so much as a price from them yet.

besides, whats wrong with keeping tuned in to a post? its not unheard of.
 
whered pedro go? =(
 
Nemesis529;3464831; said:
:screwy: WTF does experience with hot rods have to do with having one wrecked while your working?

Going through hell trying to find a wanted fish, and finally getting it is IMO one of the best parts about this hobby. If there's some thing you want, just put a wtb thread up in the market, and pm the vendors. If you persistent, and really want your fish, you will eventually get it.

i have to jump in here and say i can not agree more with this post

two of my fish my west african lung and my mbu puffer were long awaited realizations and the best part is that I was able to get them here in sask not an easy feat let me tell you that
 
i had a second thought for you

perhaps the vendors are looking at this thread and are wondering if you as a customer might be more pain than gain

or maybe they as vendors hit some snags as that does happen
 
No website i visited actively sells them (most dirty websites just have them in stock listings with a small picture of the fish, a price tag and a big fat OUT OF STOCK sign thats been like that for probably the entirety of business)..


here is a tip: if you are looking for rare stock, dirty websites won't have it :)
 
there was a SA lung fish on ebay a few days ago. hows that for rare. Get your money up and you can buy anything.
 
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